meanrob

I know he only played one year (1995) of this stretch but Ron Paris or DD over Willis Hudson?

I will say this, anybody who believes in rating the bowls before the games are even played isn't much of a football fan. More like a fan of publicity or hype. Last years Liberty Bowl was a great game, the Orange Bowl was a dud. I'll take the game over hype any day.

If I had a nickel for every time we used the excuse "they shot lights out" over the past 10 years of NT basketball, I could fund us a new stadium. Heard it after the ASU game too. Sooner or later this team needs to play defense, especially perimeter defense.

Not really, you should've seen the crowd at UH when we played their a couple of years ago. Less than 1k easily.

I find this thread very amusing, but about as surprising as the sun coming up tomorrow. Nice attempt Cerebus but it's hard to use logic against the illogical. And that's putting it nicely.

UCF has been I-A for about 10 years now.

I guess so, somebody had the balls to say we would try to raise $90 million (that's the figure I remember) a couple of years back. Doesn't mean we have. I just think an AD at a place like SDSU coming out and saying they want be top 10 just means that's what he wants to happen. But hell, couldn't anybody SAY something like that. I'm curious to see who they hire. I've always had a soft spot for SDSU, almost went there myself. I just don't see it having a lot of the tangibles to become a top 25 program.

I'm just pointing out what I understand to be true, if I'm wrong you can correct me. SDSU plays at Qualcomm, a stadium that isn't theirs so they get little revenue off of it and even a good crowd there barely halfway fills it. Utah plays in a newly renovated stadium that is their own. Attendance this year was fairly even although Utah usually draws more. The last two games for Utah they drew 39 and 36k. The last two for SDSU were 26 and 20k. Their records were close too. SDSU benefitted from having UCLA come to town and playing SJSU didn't hurt either. On the same side of that argument, Utah had USU come to town. Utah is pretty much the only game in town besides the Jazz. SDSU has to deal with the Chargers. Not to mention the other thousands of things to do in San Diego. I used to live an hour away from SDSU and went to a lot of football games. It's just not a college sports town. Can that change? Sure, but it won't be easy. If it was, everybody would be doing it. I'm just over the whole rah-rah speeches.

I'm just saying it's hard to stay at the top for any non-BCS program. And in my opinion Utah has more going for it than SDSU. How about they get into the top 50 before they start talking about top 10.

Check back in 5 years and see if they are anywhere near top 10. Make that top 25. They fired a coach and made some statements. Hell, 4 or 5 years ago UNT made a bunch of big statements. For every AD that does something grand there are 10 saying they are going to do something grand. By the way, anybody see how Utah did this year?

It would be big but the momentum would be totally lost if we don't take care of business in conference. We beat Tech one year we went 2-9 and it didn't do much for attendance at the end of the year. NMSU destroyed Arizona State one year but didn't take care of business in conference. See how attendance was at the last two games of the year the year we beat Tech and hung tough with A$M. We had about 3000 for the last game of that year . I think Texas is a bad example anyway. Because sorry folks, that just ain't happening next year.

All I know is that if I gave a million dollars to UNT I'd have some strings attached as well. You think I'm just throwing that kind of money at this Athletic Department without some concrete assurances you are crazy. It's JM's money, if UNT didn't like the terms they could have turned it down.

I am thinking about going. Lots of -ings, I know. I love me some Lafayette.

Boise State did it against us back in 99 I believe. We had a one point lead and instead of taking a knee Dickey ran the ball and Boise let us score with about a minute to go. Then they went right down the field but fumbled around our 20.

If it isn't bad, it's pretty darn close to being bad. MTSU- 7pts Troy- 10 pts FIU- 13 pts FAU- 16 pts ULM- 19 pts That's 5 Sun Belt games in which the offense didn't score 20 points. If that isn't bad, I'd like to know what it is.

I only respond at all because you have called out those who were supposedly "negative" in the past and now I find it amusing that you are now posting things to what you in the past ridiculed. Dark cloud? Maybe. But I don't go around kidding myself or others that this program will reach better heights just because so-so said this or I heard this from some un-named person. Or certainly not because one man did it for a couple of years than moved on thirty years ago. Hell, using that logic UTEP should win another BBall national championship any day now. "BTW, all of that that you criticized "meanrob style" was a theoretical scenario so I guess you might say that there really is no source or person at all." Not sure what that means, you are the one who said a TV commentator said UNT was top 25 program in the making. But I do believe the second half of that statement. By the way, being ranked doesn't mean you are a top 25 program. If that were the case Fry never would have left. It means that for that week a bunch of writers or coaches think you are that number team for the week. Last week UTEP was ranked, Tennessee was not. Are you telling me that UTEP is a better program than UT? You sell hope without substance, hate to tell you but eventually somebody has to provide the substance. Cerebus is the high judge. I am merely a jester in the court of public opinion. And only a part-time jester at that.

As usual no facts in your posts, just a bunch of "I heard this from....(insert _____ because no one is ever quoted directly) Anybody, and I mean ANYBODY who thinks this is a top 25 program waiting to happen is either stupid or very ignorant. Or blowing smoke, take your pick. We're not even a top 75 program at this point and not anywhere near top 50. Not at the infrastructure level, the attendance level, fundraising level, or any level other than our location. And I would say we have even failed at taking advantage of that. Please don't give me this crap about FSU or Miami or a couple of other schools that once were doormats but grew into powers. That was a very different time. In the speed of light you went from complaining about the negativity to jumping right on board, yet nowhere do I see you acknowledging that those who weren't "it's all green and all good" may have been right in the first place. Is that possible? I'd say, if you think DD is the only problem, you are indeed setting your goals too low. rob

I've seen the tape of that game. That crazy interception returned for a score totally changed the momentum. But it still wasn't as good as the 30-27 game.

So two of our OOC wins are basically over Sun Belt teams. That's even sadder. The other ones with "Rob" comments- Northern Illinois- They went 1-10 that year and lost to Western Illinois in the process. Their only win.....over Ark State. We won that game by three and got extremely lucky when NIU fumbled near our goal line and we ran the ball all the way back for a score. Texas Tech (2X)- not much to say, two of the greatest victories I've ever witnessed but the 30-27 game was about as good as it gets. Probably one of the best games of any kind that I've seen. 4th and 14?? Unbelievable. Baylor- Great game at Fouts but to be honest I expected us to blow them out. They were horrible and it showed. Oregon State- What a scrappy game by basically a I-AA team that we fielded. We were down in the fourth but fought back and won in the last seconds. Cincy- Great game, would've been nice if somebody from Cincy would have been there.

WHAT?!? We've only won 8 I-A OOC games since returning to I-A? Good grief....see if I can name them. Oregon State Texas Tech (2X) Northern Illinois ULL (worst frickin game ever) Baylor Cincy? I'm at a loss for the last one if the Cincy game was included.

Just from looking back at some of the OOC games in the Big West, here are some teams the BW beat from 96-01. Arizona State Texas Tech (2X) Utah (3X) UNLV (3X) Washington State (2X) Southern Miss Louisville New Mexico (3X) plus a couple of wins over UTEP and MAC schools. I might even be missing a few more wins and there were some real close calls against other BCS teams that BW teams lost by fewer than 7 points. Off the top of my head the victories of Sun Belt teams are- Vandy (3X?) Missouri (thanks IP eagle) Cincy Baylor and a couple of wins over MAC teams. I could be wrong but that is all I could think of. I also could be wrong but I can only remember one loss to a I-AA team by Big West teams. I think there have been at least 5 by Sun Belt teams. Actually I was wrong on the above about I-AA losses. The Big West lost at least 5 games to I-AA opponents. Boise lost two in 96 and Idaho lost a few along the way too. Plus Arkansas State lost to Richmond while members of the Big West....hehe. Still overall, the Big West was better.

The Big West was a better conference. The Idaho team that won the champ beat a pretty good USM team. Going into Nevada, Idaho, Utah State or Boise State was much tougher than going into SBC teams' home stadiums. Was it a lot better? No, but it was better. Check out some of the OOC victories that some of the Big West teams had and then compare that to SBC OOC victories. Would I rather be in the SBC? No doubt about it. Going to an away game in the Big West was a nightmare. It wasn't just Boise, Ark St fan. Across the board, the Big West from 96-00 was better than the SBC from 01-05. Then again, not sure it matters a hill of beans anyway.

Thanks for the reminder.

Sounds like more of a money issue than an alcohol issue. Selling it inside the stadium is the stupid idea because then people can just keep on drinking. But they wouldn't want to piss off the vendors.

As I remember if Idaho had lost we would have won the conference because three teams would had tied at 3-2 and for some reason we held the tie-breakers. That game went into overtime and Idaho took a chance and went for two after they had answered Boise's TD in overtime. Wild game. That USU game was a killer that year. Half of the highlight video for that year came from that game and somehow we managed to lose it, even though some crazy stuff happened, like the last field goal really looking like it was no good. The monsoon game was fun too, I was tired of being Nevada's whipping boy. If I ever became AD I would wait until it looked like we would have a really good team and try to get a game with Nevada. Then I'd give the boys the biggest pep-talk ever given and tell the coach to do his best to score 100. It would be better if it was on the road because then I'd flip off the whole stadium and finally the taste of 77-0 would be removed.