meanrob

How much do you think the numbers have changed since Apogee? @Cerebus

I would love to get the numbers straight from the AD. I applaud Mr. McNatt's gift and those who worked hard to secure it. I'm just saying it will take more than donations to solve our issues. A lot more.

Wasn't meaning to take a shot at you, just showing how low the bar is around here for solid offensive football. When we are an average NCAA offense we are ecstatic. I agree that was part of the problem but with Dunbar we still finished as a below average offense.

According to Cerebus we have around 1000+ MCG members. Considering RV's goal in 2004 was 3000 I would say Apogee didn't help us meet the goal. I don't hold the other buildings in contempt, I stated those types of contributions don't increase MGC membership and neither will this latest gift. Not that those aren't important and necessary but they don't solve the fan apathy/contribution problem here. Other schools don't need help with their booster clubs. We desperately do.

Under the last three years of Dodge and Canales here's where the offense finished- 2008- 72nd (20 pts a game) 2009- 55th (26 pts a game) 2010- 79th (24 pts a game) Better than Mac but not "dynamic". Not even the NCAA average. This was with Dunbar. Take a look what NIU or Ark State have averaged over the same period. "Offensive starved" doesn't even begin to state the problem.

Make it easy for me Kram, put in an link. :)

Has Apogee increased MGC membership significantly?

There is one reason the MGC never took off and probably won't- RV and the department never consistently attempted to change the culture at North Texas. If you ask them what the MGC is they give you the standard "The Mean Green Club is the fundraising arm.....blah blah." In other words- you give us your money, it goes down a black hole, and we lose a bunch but here's a nice cooler for your troubles. That might cut it at UT or other universities but it won't cut it here. You have to make the effort to give back a little for what people are giving. You have to be creative. You have to work at it. Giving people a key chain and some free food before basketball game works for the die-hards but not the casual fan. RV and his staff have made attempts. There was a Mean Green rally on the square one year and other half-hearted attempts that if they weren't total successes they disappeared into the ether and the old "people just don't care here" excuse was rolled out. The 10,000 member promise was a joke and never should have been a goal. Same for the quarterly meetings. He can raise all the money he wants, it won't fix the disconnect. Did the new tennis facility change anything? The nice bus? Will baseball? A shiny new practice facility? Times are tough right now. They should be going above and beyond to build a bond between fans and the department so when it gets better the bandwagon fills quickly. Instead it's the same ol same ol. No imagination. No creativity. And they get defensive about it. Money won't fix the problem.

If we could be average we'd be good not great, which is better than the bad we are right now.

His (he's the head coach, eventually the buck stops with him) offenses have finished 105th, 85th, 60th (2013), and 117th in the NCAA rankings in his first four years and sit at 123rd this year while staring at another finish in the 100s. The Sun Belt and CUSA aren't exactly defensive minded leagues. During that stretch we are 22-28. By comparison Ark State has finished 22nd, 24th, 62nd, 20th and sits at 113th after playing USC and Missouri this year. During that stretch they are 35-19. Middle Tennessee has finished 63rd, 84th, 63rd, 64th, and currently sit at 57th. During that stretch they are 25-26 with three bowl seasons and dragged down by one 2-10 season. Our best finish on offense has been near Ark State's worst and near MTSU's average. The point being all we have to do is finish in the 60s in offensive ranking and we'd probably have a winning record. A hurdle obviously too tall for Mac's offensive scheme.

Internally debated on whether to be the killjoy of this thread. Thought better of it but someone should give me a minus for even thinking about it.

Wow, this is sad. But accurate.

When you are not doing the things it takes to win, you don't hate to lose.

I'd rethink that strategy. A better idea would be to write a well-thought out letter to the President. In fact a better idea is to give this a couple more games and let it play out and then write the letter. I don't have a problem with your frustration, but executing that plan now looks knee-jerking. Do it a little later in the season and your demand for change carries a little more weight. Just my .02.

Vito?

One, it feels like you've posted that message way too many times since we've known each other. Two, it will happen. Don't know when but it will. Too much going for this university and program. It may take a change of leadership but it will happen. I don't mean HOD bowl happen but big things. And I'm going to enjoy the hell out of it when it does. Quick edit here- Once upon a time Idaho dominated Boise State, Baylor was the laughingstock of the Big 12 (and college football), LSU lost to UAB at home, Northwestern had the longest losing streak ever in FBS, Oregon sucked, NIU went two years without winning a game, and on and on. North Texas becoming consistently good is less far-fetched than all of those. We just need a damn quarterback. And leadership.

We've rolled out Green and McNulty the past two years as game one starters. Speechless.

I was fully on board with the Mac hire but at this point I don't believe a gawd damn thing Mac says.

I don't know if it's the best but I do know we have no talent at quarterback. None. How are you here for five years and never bring in an AVERAGE quarterback? I'm not even asking for a stud. Just a middle of the pack CUSA quarterback.

CAW!!!!

Brett covers UNT with the same enthusiasm of the Garden section. I take that back, people get into their gardens.

To answer the question in the post topic- F&#kin bad.

I have. Just because younger players fill the 2-deep doesn't mean they will be good/great players. I'm hoping that's the case but it is not yet. I hate hypotheticals but since this is SMU game week.....give me a smackdown of the ponies on the Hilltop.

Last I checked we kicked their ass last year.....

I hate SMU. Always will and like Jub Jub I want them to lose every game. I liked most of Mac's presser but to go on and on about the series being lopsided irked me. I could care less about games 40+ years ago. While watching the highlights of last year's game they were so pathetic I almost felt sorry for them until I remembered it was SMU.