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It is awesome to win a bowl game. Congrats to UNT. Was very happy to see it. But Auburn lost their bowl game too. Ergo UNT > Auburn? No because FSU > UNLV. No doubt top 25 Vanderbilt > UNLV too.

Massey Composite Rankings after the year end seems to disagree... UH #49 UNT #56 UH ahead in in 42 rankings UNT ahead in 17 rankings UH best 24 UNT best 30 UH worst 60 UNT worst 73 I can say very similar although my personal bias of course will say UH was slightly better (supported by Massey). Amazing that some UNT fans can't even acknowledge that UH might have had a comparable team even if your bias will say UNT was slightly better.

No, my argument is not lost games primarily against ranked teams. It's that UNT lost games primarily to, at best average, teams. UH lost to no average teams. Bragging about beating average teams is more than offset by losing to average and below average teams. SMU lost to ranked teams, but they also lost to average and bad teams. Something that UH didn't do. UNT didn't lose to ranked teams, only average teams.

I hate to do this but it's CUSA's fault. I'm assuming those are CBS projections of what the BCS rankings would be past the top 25 (the only official numbers). So rankings like Ball State's and Rice's are exagerated because they received votes in the Harris poll. Also we know they would no longer receive those Harris votes after their performance in the bowl. Also some BCS computer projections don't include all teams. So for example the 40th ranked team and the 100th ranked team would have the same value in those computer polls. But ignoring all of that, we have similar wins, but UNT has much worse losses given your numbers. And using something besides BCS, let's try Massey (pre-bowl just like BCS). North Texas Mean Loss - 63.5 Median Loss - 74 Mean Win - 93 Median Win - 106 Worst Loss - 89 (Ohio) Best Win - 50 (Ball State) Houston Mean Loss - 33 Median Loss - 28 Mean Win - 88 Median Win - 90 Worst Loss - 53 (Cinci) Best Win - 54 (Rice) Very similar averages, mins, and maxes except the individual team rankings to the BCS rankings. But I just can't get over the loss comparisons. Win comparisons between the 2 teams are very similar. Loss comparisons HEAVILY favor UH.

Because I'm here whether UH and UNT are good or bad. Lived in Denton 5 years and have lived in Providence Village (Denton schools) for 10 years. So I follow UNT football. When I see UNT fans trashing UH (primarily because of Cougar King), I try to provide a more balanced view of the UH fan.

Debatable, but definitely not conclusive in favor of either team. UNT did not play a single team that is going to finish ranked. Take away 3 of UNT's mediocre wins and replace them with losses to ranked teams and what does UNT's record look like? Worse than UH's. And that's not even considering whether Cinci or BYU are better than most of UNT's schedule. You're only looking at wins. Why not losses? UNT had multiple mediocre (at best) losses (Ohio, UTSA, Tulane). UH's "mediocre" losses? BYU and Cinci maybe? Both of those teams are MUCH better than Ohio, UTSA, and Tulane. Prior to the bowls, both of those teams were ranked higher (Massey composite) than any team UNT beat and better than all but 1 team on your entire schedule.

If you have to go back to 1959 to be offended, you're having to work at it. I'm guessing at that period of time it was probably a racial thing because UH hadn't integrated yet. But things have changed since then. If it's something else, I'd like to hear the story.

UH's losses BYU by 1 point (8-5 team that beat UT by 19) UCF by 5 (12-1. beat the Big XII champ scoring 52 on them. Only loss was to top 10 SEC team. Top 10 finish?) Louisville by 7 (12-1. Top 15 finish?) Cincinnati by 7 (9-4) Vanderbilt (9-4 SEC team. Top 25 Finish?) So 3 of our 5 losses came to teams that are probably going to be ranked, 2 in the top 15. UNT's losses Ohio by 6 (7-6 MAC team. Lost to Louisville by 42) Georgia by 24 (8-5 SEC team that lost to our SEC bowl opponent) Tulane by 3 (7-6 CUSA team) UTSA by 8 (7-5 CUSA team that lost by 31 to UH) All losses to team finishing unranked. So tell me how UH's losses are worse than UNT's losses. But MeanGreener's quote is funny: "Didn't even deserve a bowl game. Beat the bottom of the AAC all year." Some of UNT's wins: 1-11 USM (1 win in 2 seasons) 1-11 Idaho (2 wins in 2 seasons) 2-10 UTEP 3-9 Tulsa 4-8 La Tech And yes we beat the bottom of the AAC, but we also beat CUSA's champ and CUSA West's 2nd place, 2 teams that finished tied or ahead of UNT in the conference standings. Do you think you'd beat the top teams in the AAC which we also lost to? Do you think you'd do better than Baylor against UCF? Do you think you'd do better than Ohio against Louisville? You should but considering you lost to Ohio, maybe not. Do you think you'd do better than UT against BYU? Do you think you'd do better than Georgia did against Vanderbilt? And yes Rutgers sucked (despite going to a bowl), but we beat them by 35. Did you beat every team worse than Rutgers by 35? But I know all of the hate is because of Cougar King. Don't hate UH because of it's worst "fans." After all, he was banned on UH's own board. Don't know why you don't ban him from here too.

I think at least co-cooridinator is an ideal minimum although there are exceptions. UNTFan23 said he wasn't comfortable hiring a coach who didn't have HC experience at the college level which is where I branched off. Of course Dickey had coordinator experience, but he had not had HC experience. While his overall record wasn't stellar, at least he won 4 conference championships. Current UH coach Levine had never been a DC or OC. He was special teams coordinator and assistant head coach which has often caused great debate on the UH board. Is Special Teams Coordinator at a similar level to OC or DC? It's rare that ST coordinators get promoted to the head job, but John Harbaugh has helped blaze that trail to some extent.

It became a discussion on needed experience for a college HC. Just pointing out one school's experience from a perspective I know. Feel free to look at UNT's history, but one school is kind of limiting.

At UH, Bill Yeoman had no HC experience, Jack Pardee had no college football coaching experience at all, and Kevin Sumlin had no HC experience. Throw in Art Briles, and none of the great UH coaches had head coaching experience at the college level. OTOH since the 1960s, the only coach UH has hired with college head coaching experience was Dana Dimel, and he has the worst winning percentage in UH history at 24% (8-26) and has UH's only winless season.

Art Briles was RB coach at Tech when UH hired him as head coach. Briles was a head coach in high school if you want to make that argument.

SMU's TV broadcast 2013 TT - ESPN MT State - ESPN3 (Internet) aTm - ESPNU TCU - FS1 Rutgers - ESPN News Memphis - Regional Temple - ESPN3 Cinci - Regional UConn - ESPN3 USF - ESPN3 UH - ESPN2 UCF - ESPN So 6 National TV, 2 Regional, and 4 internet. But then again, SMU sucked so why show them on TV this year? UH was a much better team than SMU (similar rankings to UNT in conference), so we got much better TV coverage than them. Southern - ESPN3 (Internet) Temple - ESPN Regional Rice - FSN UTSA - FSN Memphis - ESPN News BYU - ESPN News Rutgers - ESPN News USF - ESPN UCF - ESPN2 Louisville - ESPNU Cincinnati - ESPN News SMU - ESPN2 So 8 national broadcasts, 3 regional (if you count FSN as regional), and 1 internet. Not too shabby. And as our team got better and played and played better competition, the networks got better too in general.

Are you sure about that? Discussion on The American board says that the SEC is contractually obligated to play an AAC team in a bowl. If the SEC does not have enough teams to fill it's BBVA bowl slot which has SEC vs AAC, then the Liberty will be SEC vs AAC instead of CUSA. Right now there are 9 SEC teams bowl eligible. Assuming 2 BCS bids (pretty much a given), they do not currently have enough teams to fill the BBVA spot. Miss State is 5-6 right now and plays Ole Miss on Thanksgiving. If Miss State wins and becomes bowl eligible, the SEC has enough to fill the BBVA slot. If Miss State loses, the CUSA spot in the Liberty is taken by an AAC team. That's why on the original link Troy vs ECU is listed as a possibility for the BBVA bowl, and Houston vs Vanderbilt is listed as possibility for the Liberty.

They're not Temple, but UCF won. Would you rather have a team beat Temple, even if it's close, or lose to WVU? I'll take the close win over the really bad team over the loss to the bad team. And how good is WVU? They just lost by 12 to 3-7 Kansas. The same Kansas that lost to Rice by 9. WVU's other wins? OT win over 4-7 TCU, transitioning 0-10 Georgia State, and 7 point win over mighty William & Mary. So do you want to compare Okie State to TCU, Georgia State, and William & Mary? William & Mary played a closer game than Okie State actually leading by 10 at halftime against WVU. Okie State only led WVU by 7 for 2 minutes halfway through the 1st quarter.

Okie State lost to 4-7 WVU. Really a powerhouse there. Stanford lost to 4-6 Utah. Really a powerhouse there. South Carolina lost to 4-6 Tennessee. Really a powerhouse there. At least UCF won. UCF's only loss was to a top 15 team. These teams ranked ahead of UCF lost to teams with losing records. And I'm not even counting close wins or losses to unranked teams.

UCF is overrated because they only won by 3 against Temple? Does that mean South Carolina is overrated because they only beat UCF by 3?

And for the record, I have not said which coach is having the better season. They are both having great seasons. I just don't think it's a joke to say that Levine is having a comparable season to Mac which is what the ranking in the article shows (tied for top 10 vs barely missing top 10). I'm fine with homerism on either side being the difference in each individual deciding which coach is having the better season because it is that close.

Loaded? We lost the NCAA career leader in pass completions, yards, TDs, etc in Keenum, our backup QB, our top 5 WRs, and 2 of our 3 top RBs. On defense we lost our leading tackler and our sack leader/#3 tackler. That's quite a drop in talent. But what are we putting on the field this year? Last game, out of our 22 starters, 10 were underclassmen (FR & SO). We started more than twice as many sophomores than seniors (9 sophomores vs 4 Seniors). Our starting QB is a true freshman. Our backup QB who gets playing time many games is a true freshman. Compare that to UNT. 3 underclassmen starting. 13 starting seniors including a SR QB. 19 upperclassmen. Side by side starters SRs - UNT 13 UH 4 Upperclassmen - UNT 19 UH 12 Underclassmen - UNT 3 UH 10 Team Leaders Passing - UNT SR UH True FR Rusher - UNT SR UH SO 2nd Rusher - UNT JR UH SO WR - UNT SR UH SO 2nd WR - UNT SR UH JR Tackler - UNT SR UH JR 2nd Tackler - UNT JR UH JR So I would argue that UNT SHOULD have a better season this year than UH based on all of UNT's experience vs all of UH's youth. But UH is having the better season. Imagine how good we'll be next year when all of the team leaders and 18 of 22 starters return.

You crack me up Colorado. Yes we lost last week 19-14 with 4 chances to win from inside their 10 in the final minute. We play Louisville this week picked to lose by 16. We've covered the spread, win or loss, every week this year except 1 (beat opening line, but not the final line vs USF). So there's a good chance we'll beat the spread. But our defense struggles more against good QBs than RBs, and Louisville has one of the best QBs in the nation. We'll see if we can continue our streak of 17 straight games gaining at least turnovers. That will play a big role. Honestly, I wouldn't predict a win for UH, but I'd say we can win without it being a surprise.

Curious why you think that. Tulane's coach went from 2-10 last season to 6-4. A rather nice coaching job. And of course I'm biased for my Coog head coach. From 5-7 last year to 7-2 this season with the losses by a total of 8 points and both being decided in the final 2 minutes. As the article noted we lost during the summer our planned starting running back who was pre-season all conference and our starting QB in the 2nd game (which probably turned out better for the team). UNT's coach has done a great job this season, but why is UH's coaching job a joke compared to that? Is it not at least comparable?

Not going to use the same argument for Texas Tech? They have played 4 FBS teams with winning records and are 1-3 vs those. Their only win out of that group was against TX State. So who is their best win? 6-3 TX State? 4-6 WVU? 4-6 TCU? 3-5 SMU? 2-7 KU? 1-8 ISU? Rutgers is as good or better than Rice. Their 3 losses are to (depending on the poll) #14 and undefeated Fresno, #13 with 1 loss Louisville, and Houston. Rice's worst loss was to a team having a very good year, but no offense, you're not at the level of Fresno or Louisville right now, getting closer to Houston (unless we beat Louisville this week), and looking better every week.

Don't forget to take a towel!

I think the argument would be that NEW beer sales could increase attendance. UH has had alcohol at games since I belive the 1960s, at a minimum since the 1970s. Alcohol sales aren't going to increase attendance at UH at this point, but removing them might decrease attendance since that's what we're used to. New alchohol sales could increase attendance because people who like to enjoy an adult beverage might enjoy that beverage AND go to the game instead of having to decide between the two. And even if sales don't increase attendance, it would almost guarantee an increase in revenue.

FYI: SMU SID said it was a typo. Numbers have been corrected to 15,107. Stats