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http://sports.espn.go.com/dickvitale/06030...Conference.html SBC: 1 MVC: 5 what is the matter with this picture?? Why are they able to recruit better?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2353636 interesting article

Did Dirk say that he considered attending North Texas after High School???

bigrobdsp--- that is our point...... UNT is ranked #107 out of 117 D-1A teams.....the rest of the SBC is ranked where we are......that does not leave very many D-1A teams below us!! are you begining to see the quagmire???

GreyEagleOne-- I totally understand your view point about playing too many D-1aa schools and how you think it may degrade our program and I respect that. IMHO, UNT is not in a conference where we can play for a national championship, yet. I only suggest this a short term approach for a long term solution. If UNT gets beat by a D-1AA school that would be terrible but, as you know, if you combine D-1A and D-1AA programs, UNT would probably be ranked about #140 and not even in the top 20 of D-1AA. IMHO, again, the problem could be solved by getting better recruits but DD has proven that he and his staff are incapable of doing that. If the BOR and RV decide to extend DD's contract then it is an indication that these powers are satisfied with the "status quo" of our program and are complacently content to let our football program remain #107 out of 117 college football D-1A programs. If that is the BOR's intent and we have no say or power to change that then what are our alternatives?? FWIW, scheduling regional D-1AA schools such as SFA or Texas State to come to Fouts would not hurt the program and would probably draw as much if not more of a crowd to see the game as us playing Tulsa last year. SilverEagleOne, I believe if we are stuck in this current quagmire then our options are limited: 1. We need to change coaches ASAP or 2. We need to have to ease up on our schedule, temporarily, until we get back on track....and we are off the track..... I do not believe that what we are doing now is improving the program and the majority of the posters have no "specific" solutions to solve our "staus quo" situation. You just can not say we just have to win more games......yea......but how????You just can not play 2 BCS schools a year for "$500k" a year and expect to improve our current problem ..... that is 2 more "L's" and another 40-54 points hung on us in front of the whole football nation. Agree or disagree that is my "specific" solution..... If someone else has a "specific" solution I would like to hear it.

here is where i stand on the issues: 1. Play 1 or 2 D-1AA games a year for the next 3 years to increase the wins. The reasoning is to improve our record to get better recruits. 2. Dont play any big money games with BCS schools for 3 years to increase our W-L ratio. 3. Play more Mid-Major programs. This is how I personally feel UNT should get the program back in the right direction. I know some of you do not agree but only state, "that we should keep on doing what we are doing and the ship will eventually right itself." 1. We have a coach and a staff that has a record of not being able to recruit. It has been stated 3 winning seasons in 8 years and next year looks like 3 winning seasons in 9 years. 2. Hence UNT is #107 out of 117 D-1A Programs. 3. Last year when everyone was saying that UNT will win 8 or 9 games we barely won 2. It took DD half way through the season to figure out that he needed to pass more. It takes 5 or 6 games to figure out that "he" needs to make adjustments to the program. I thought you did that in spring practice and minute by minute during the game and watching game film of the last game. That is my philosophy right now......."SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE A STEP BACK TO TAKE TWO STEPS FORWARD" My expectations this year: Win 2 OOC games, run the belt and beat the #4 CUSA team in the N.O. Bowl......anything less then we need a changing of the guard.

Eagle1855-- I can agree with that. 1. You are right in that the SBC is the "glorified" Southland Conference. 2. When you have D-1AA conferences that are higher rated than the SBC then the teams we play in our conference are glorified D-1AA schools. 3. CUSA....well I hope there will be some more conference shake ups. That will be the only way. 4. New Stadium.....still waiting on an donor. 5. New Coach.....you are PMG's new Hero. A lot of us believe that is the #1 problem. Ya got to be able to sell the program with the stuff you have. Fry and Nelson did it and were successful.....but don't want to get into those topics.

Eagle 1855--- This is what we are currently doing and we are #107 of 117 D-1A teams.... -----ding----ding----ding---- tell me something specific, come on man, work with me.

MonkeyPox--- work with me. tell me "your" solution to get us out of this mess we are currently in?

LoveMG-- I really do not understand your point. You are actually elevating the standards of the SBC over the BCS schools on who can play the D-1AA schools??? We are all D-1A fans and what difference does it make if Texas A&M (who played Texas State last year), Baylor(who played Samford last year), LSU (who played Appalatian State last year, Kentucky(who played Idaho State last year)...etc.....play D-1AA schools?? My point is that when someone glances at those forementioned W-L records they just see how many games won and lost...... LoveMG, the SBC is lower than a couple of other D-1AA conferences!!! UNT's ranking, if you put it with D-1AA schools, does not even put it in the Top 20 of D-1AA!! How does that make you feel??? Why not take a temporary break from playing teams that hang 40-54 points on us and play one or two D-1AA schools for a couple of three years to improve our overall W-L record??? Guess what??? UNT aint goin' to a BCS bowl game anytime soon....you do realize that don't you??? UNT is just a Mid-Major is the worst conference in D-1A ranked #107 out of 117 D-1A programs, fact!! We don't even play competitively with any OOC programs!! If your train of thought is just keep on doing what we have been doing with the current level of player we are recruiting then you can expect UNT to be #107 again next year. If you want to be pro-active in getting us out of this mess then sometimes you just have to "take a step back" or you can have the philosophy of, "onward through the fog."....kinda like a ship without a rudder..... LoveMG, 1. what do you think are chances are next year??? 2. what will your feeling be if we win 2 or 3 games next year??? 3. how can we get better players to commit to UNT to get us out of this mess??? 4. what are your W-L expectations to keep DD next year??? Any Mid-Major or BCS program that plays D-1AA schools is a legitimate D-1A program and is worth going to watch.

LongJim-- You are correct.....i only advocate playing D-1AA programs as a short term approach or as you called it a band aide approach. Any WIN is better than any LOSS!!.....even if it is against a D-1AA program. We all know that while UNT is in the SBC we have a slim to none chance of going to a BCS game with the team we have today, next year or the year after that with the current players and coaching staff. Utah had to go undefeated two years ago and fought its way into the BCS system. Last year TCU was 10-1 and did not go because of SMU. Is there a possibility we could go to a BCS playoff game?? I say yes with the right coaching staff and players and UNT going undefeated.....sure there is a chance. I did not mean to do a PMG essay, even though I like reading what he has to say. "now is the time to look at taking one step back to take two steps forward" "my expectations next year are: win 2 OOC games, run the belt and beat the #4 CUSA team in the NO Bowl....anything less we need a changing of the guard.

Eagle1855-- We are all aware that the SBC is the WORST D-1A conference in America and behind a couple of D-1AA conferences....you are absolutely correct but that is "old" and "public" knowlege. If you are of the expressed opinion that we should play "only" D-1A schools I can respect that but UNT's OOC record under DD is something like 7-39 (or something close to that). My concern is not getting beat by a D-1A or D-1AA school....it still goes down as a loss, agree?? Our chances of beating a D-1AA team would be better than getting 40-54 hung on us by a D-1A OOC opponent. I would much rather have a D-1AA school come to Fouts Field so we can use them for Cannon Fodder than us going to Texas, Arkansas, LSU, K-State and UNT being used for Cannon Fodder. If UNT gets beat consistantly by D-1AA schools then don't you think it is time for a change in the football administration to find a coach/administration that can take us out of this abysmal state of affairs that we are currently in?? Eagle1855 does it PIS_ YOU OFF that UNT is ranked #107 out of 117 D-1A programs?? UNT would not even be ranked in the TOP 20 of D-1AA programs with the team that we have......does that pis_ you off?? UNT would probably be ranked #140 out of all D-1A and D-1AA programs.....does that pis_ you off?? And you are worried about a D-1AA program beating us??? H-TownGreen, PlummeanGreen, GreyEagle and others have specifically laid down the gauntlet as to how to rectify this program...... Others like yourself only want UNT to keep "staus quo".......that status quo has put us chest high in feces and we are sinking rapidly in the cauldron of being recognized as a perinnial Bottom 10 ESPN powderpuff. Eagle1855, you and other like thinkers want "status quo"....THIS IS NOT THE ANSWER!!! You only regurgitate by stating, "keep on doing what we are doing and that will take us to the promise land......that is NOT the answer....can't you see it is not working???? UNT barely won 2 games last year......I do not expect much better this year. If you want to fix a problem then you have to be a little more creative than just to suggest, "keep on keeping on." There is a LEGITIMATE opinion floating around to, TAKE ONE STEP BACK TO MOVE 2 STEPS FORWARD to get us out of "your" "staus quo" mentality. There is nothing wrong in playing one or two D-1AA games a year, for a while, until UNT gets back on the winning track. If you disagree with me then I can respect your opinion but I totally disagree. Until UNT starts to win on a regular basis the current football administration must take some drastic steps to place our program in a position to move forward by winning against any program no matter what the cost....and if that means losing a game or two against a D-1AA program, this year or maybe next year, then I can respect that. I only suggest this as a short term solution to a long term goal.

TIGreen01-- I really do not think that anyone cares when these D-1AA games are played during the season....but....personally I would like them played at or near the beginning of the season.....that way we get some early UNT Whooooop as_ going. my expectations this year: win 2 OOC games, run the belt and beat the #4 CUSA team in the N.O. Bowl.....anything less......we need a changing of the guard. it is also my belief that this is the time to "TAKE ONE STEP BACK TO TAKE TWO STEPS FORWARD" in the scheduling of more D-1AA teams.

LoveMG/MonkeyPox/Travis/GangGreen--- 1. Let me remind you that UNT is ranked #107 out of 117 D-1A teams. 2. Let me remind you that UNT would probably be ranked about #140 combining D-1A and D-1AA teams. 3. Let me remind you that UNT would not even make the top 20 of D-1AA schools. 4. Let me remind you that 4 OOC teams hung between 40 to 54 points on us last year. ******************************************************************** What do you boys want in a program?? 1. Do you want UNT to continue to be "Cannon Fodder" for OOC opponents so they can hang another 40 - 54 points on us year after year?? By golley trying to improve our program that way will keep us 2-9 or 3-8 almost indefinitely. What sort of "quality" HS or JC recruit is going to list UNT as their first choice with this type of record???? 2. Would you rather try to have a winning record with NO chance against teams like Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, LSU or BYU?? All you have to do is do a records search of the success that MID-MAJORS have had against BCS schools. OK....yea, sometimes (rarely) does a Mid-Major defeats a BCS school....such as the success that MTSU has had over Vandy. I would go out on the limb and say that 90% of the time BCS school whooop up on Mid Majors!!!! That philosophy is shot to sh_t!! 3. You chide TCU's schedule last year!!!! He_l......UNT would have gone 0-11 in that conference. What H-TownGreen and I are suggesting is to take ONE STEP BACK TO MOVE 2 STEPS FORWARD by playing one or two regional D-1AA games per year for a while until we get back on the winning side again. That is all. There is NOTHING wrong in doing what just about everyone else is doing, including BCS schools. 1. I would imagine that SFA, Texas State ect...would bring just as many if not more fans to the game as Tulsa did last year. That is $$ 2. Do you really think that a UNT freshman, sophmore or junior really cares if UNT plays a D-1AA school at Fouts Field??? He_l No!! I want to see UNT win at the expense of anyone until we start winning the way we are suppose to. You four "feel good buddies" want moral loses to increase our "L's and increase our revenue." You four "feel good buddies" think that playing D-1AA programs will destroy UNT's chances of ever making it big in the Mid-Majors and that it will decrease attendance and throw us back into D-1AA again.....hahahahahahaha....you guys must have been hiding underneath a rock somewhere.....take a look at other Mid-Major and BCS schedules......Playing D-1AA teams does not hurt anyone!!!! H-TownGreen and I want Wins not "feel good moral loses." 3. Years from now recruits will only see things in Black & White.....Wins/Loses!! 4. Wins equates to better players which equates to more wins which equates to attendance and revenue. Unfortunately, you four "feel good buddies" want to dump UNT football into a hole that will take years to get out of. We are already chest high in deep sh_t right now being #107 out of 117 D-1 teams and probably #140 if you include D-1AA teams.....that does not even put us in the top 20 of D-1AA schools. You four "feel good buddies" want UNT drown in regurgitation.....well I dont and neither do other concerned alumi....... If watching a D-1AA team at Fouts is too degrading for you then just dont support the team. Others of us will be at Fouts watching and supporting the team no matter who they play. I personally respect your opinion but as you can tell do not agree with it.

Travis--- Our point in playing regional D-1AA teams is as beneficial to attendance as playing Tulsa here at home. Don't you think that SFA or Texas State would bring as many fans as Tulsa brought to Denton?? Besides, the other side of the coin is being defeated by regional D-1AA teams. Logically, UNT should have a better team than D-1AA but being #107 out of 117 D-1A teams is an embar"ass"ment to many alum. If you factor in what D-1AA teams are ahead of us in all standings......that would leave UNT about #145. Think about that.....UNT DOES NOT even make the TOP 20 OF D-1AA, NOW!!! How do you feel about that, Travis???? Hope that kind of pis_' you off!! Some posters on this board are of the foregone conclusion that the only reason why we play athletics is strickly for viewing pleasure. "We just want to be entertained because it is the best bang for the buck in the metroplex." Naturally, there are others who do not share this view point. UNT is trying to rebuild a program that, in all reality, does not even hold a candle to the top 20 of D-1AA programs. If the only way out of this quagmire is to play 2 regional D-1AA programs and beat 'em (of course there is no guarantee) to increase the "W's" on our side of the ledger that is fine with me. More wins over a period of time means better players......better players......more wins.....more wins.....more coverage....more coverage.....more $$$.....more $$$ might lead to a new stadium and better financial/fan support..... IMHO, again, UNT needs to take "ONE STEP BACK TO MOVE 2 STEPS FORWARD." I see nothing degrading about playing 1 or 2 D-1AA programs a year for a while. Some of you want to use UNT as "cannon fodder" against programs that will hang 40-50 points on us for "moral victories or competitive loses." For you boys and girls who have that philosophy then ya'll need to get together and go to a good "chick flick" while the rest of us go see Delta Force. Goodness, even DD does not want to be cannon fodder or be involved with moral victories (I dont think so anyway).....his job depends upon wins not feel good loses. While some of you have been brought up being politically correct and really do not want to hurt anyone's feelings there are those of us who are Black & White in our thinking. Life comes down to either a W or a L, period. My expectations this year: win 2 OOC games, run the belt & beat the #4 CUSA team in the N.O. Bowl. Anything less is well............you know.

To put it bluntly.......we had NO "D" (just look at the OOC scores last year) and NO "O." We beat FIU by 3 (we were lucky to win that) and beat MTSU by 7 (on an interception run back...they ran and passed all over us....we were very lucky to win that). They just made more mistakes than we did. We need D & O this year. Hopefully, RF can draw up some WIDE OPEN "O" this year. I want to see us come out with the philosophy of, "we are NOT going to try to keep it close to the 4th Quarter (one of DD's lines) we are here to run up the score & kick your butts." Heck, I would like us to start putting in the "Coke Boy" mid way through the 3rd quarter. We could have easily had ZERO wins last year. We, certainly, do not have anything to lose this year by being WIDE OPEN. I want the other team to say that we played UNT competively by losing by 21 - 40 or 54 points. I want DD to have a reputation of running up the scores on opponents. My requirements this year are: Win 2 OOC games, run the belt and beat the #4 CUSA team in the N.O. Bowl. Anything less is spinning our wheels with our present football administration. If DD, et. al., can not sell the program to H.S. and JC players it is time to get someone who can SELL this program.

My perception of taking a step back is to play a couple of D-1AA teams, hopefully from Texas for a couple of years to improve the Won-Loss record. I am by no means advocating and never will advocate reverting to D-1AA status. The only cream puff that TCU played last year was SMU and the ponies won. TCU did play UTAH which went undefeated last year and had to fight to play in a BCS game. TCU's football program would complement any BCS program with its consistent quality of play and coaches. I would by no means call TCU schedule last year cream puff. IMHO, UNT could not beat any of those teams including Army and SMU.

Guys and Girls-- All I advocate is playing a couple of D-1AA games to boost our Win record. My position is that the only thing that counts in the final stats is the Won-Loss record. With UNT being ranked #107 out of the D-1A schools there are plenty of D-1AA schools that are much better in the rankings.......so in reality UNT is probably ranked #130 - 145, including Appalachian and Texas State if you want to include D-1AA schools. UNT ain't even in the top 20 of D-1AA programs!!!! How do you feel about the four 40-56 pt loses last year?? Do you think UNT will be cannon fodder in Austin in September?? What do you think about BCS schools playing D-1AA programs??? What do you think about Mid-Majors playing D-1AA programs??? UNT is looking for Wins, not moral victories by losing by "X" amount of points. I am only advocate playing one or two games a year until our W-L record improves. It could mean a record of 7-5 instead of 5-7. What would you rather have??? Appears that you want the 5-7 record and have a couple of moral loses along the way!! If I were a recruit I would be much more impressed with a series of 7-5 records (regardless who we play) instead of a series of 5-7 losing season records. I have watched UNT play D-1AA schools since we became D-1A. Probably too degrading for you. Granted......I want UNT to achieve!!! I want UNT, not only be competitive, but let opponents know that we have a game plan to beat them!!!! and that every time we go on the field we know that will happen. Sometimes you have to take a step back before taking 2 steps forward. If you are satisfied with being #107 out of 117 D-1A teams then and maybe #140 in the nation including D-1AA teams then I can respect that. I, too, am not going to address the coaching situation....I too believe that will be resolved by the end of September when we finish the bulk of the OOC games.

Eagle1855--- We can not play schools like BYU competitively right now. That is my point. Last year Tulsa hung................ 54 on us. Last year K-State hung..............54 on us. Last year LaTech hung...............40 on us. Last year LSU hung...................56 on us. Those were not competitive games. These were embar"ass"ments. My belief, for the short term, is that UNT needs wins not $$ or trying to be competitive. Trying to be compeititve and losing just fuels the fires of epistles. IMHO, this is a time when UNT needs to take 1 step back before taking 2 steps forward concerning who we play. If you and UNTGirl04 have the philosophy that UNT should be a "Canon Fodder" school to raise money and be competitive then I can respect your opinion. My opinion is that UNT needs wins against "anyone" because the BOTTOM LINE IS "W's"....... not being competitive to get 40-56 hung on us for loss that we did not have to take. Ok...so what if we lose by 14 AGAINST BYU....is that a moral victory or competitive loss??? This will "always" go in the statistic books as a LOSS!!!! You sound like you want to play for "L's"....I want to play for "W's" until we get better players who can play with and beat teams like BYU/TCU/TULSA/LATECH ETC......In your heart you know I am right.

eeally- We all would like to beat BYU but: 1. UNT has DD and RF at the helm......what do you really think the chances are? 2. UNT is "still" #207 out of 117 D-1 teams. I think BYU is quite a bit higher!! 3. What players have you spoken with want to play BYU?? 4. Do you want a "WIN" or have BYU hang 30-50 on us 5. I would much rather have a win over a AA school.

UNTGirl04-- In order of importance.....what is more important? "W" or "$"?? IMHO, "$" will follow "W" don't you agree??

UNTGirl04-- While I agree with you in principal please do not make this complicated. All this boils down to is: "W" vs. "L" I am not opposed to playing 2 D-1AA teams a year to increasse our "W's". It is "W's" that attract players to programs not "L's". Now I could be wrong so take your shot.

Personally, I would rather have a (probable) win against a D-1AA program than get 30-50+ hung on us against BYU. The "positive" side of this: 1. It is a bandage approach for a win....something that everyone wants even against a lesser opponent. 2. Let someone else be our cannon fodder, for a short time, while we climb out of the bottom 100 of D-1A football. 3. Other major BCS schools play D1-AA programs without reservation....so why should not UNT?? The "negative" side of this: 1. There is no negative side unless we get beat by a D-1AA program at home. 2. Scathing posts by those who feel UNT should "only" play D-1A schools. A win against Grambling, SFA etc (you name a D-1AA team) is better than a 30 - 50 point loss against BYU......think about it.

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