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Exactly!!! (and those figures were from 2004-2005, before the recent success at each school) The athletic budget at each of those schools will probably be in excess of 30 million by 2012. Ticket sales have increased significantly for each school during the last decade, enrollment is up, alumni donations are way up, corporate donations are way up, research grants are way up, both schools have become more selective on admissions, and the value of a degree from each school has risen to unforseen levels. And to think, ten years ago they were just regarded by almost everyone as 'insignificant commuter colleges". Nobody had even heard of South Florida when North Texas first played them in 2001. How times have changed for them.

Yes, and like I've stated, and the purpose of this thread, those were 2004-2005 figures. ALL THOSE SCHOOLS ARE RADICALLY CHANGING THOSE FUNDING FIGURES. North Texas hasn't changed jack squat and is now thinking of the base increase which can possibly fund a new stadium. They are making real investments while North Texas contemplates digging through the sofa for loose change. And we sit and wonder why North Texas doesn't have a loyal customer base. The North Texas budget will be dwarfed by the commitment at several of those schools.

Yes, and FIU has the highest paid coaches in the league and is completing a new on -campus stadium. People probably laughed at South Florida and Central Florida back when they made similar commitments. Can you name the first home game that South Florida ever won against a Division 1A team? It was 2001 against North Texas. Since that point North Texas has struggled at times against Sun Belt competition and been clearly dominated outside it's league. South Florida has gained admission to the league we currently can only dream about joining, and has then left it for a BCS confernce. Oh, and by the way, South Florida was ranked as high as number 3 in the nation at one point this past season. Central Florida has made a similar commitment and is starting to show similar results. These are large schools that are very similar to North Texas in many aspects. They made an investment while North Texas selected the 'cheap' route.

The following is from the 2004-2005 school year; several years after the Title IX adjustments were included in the student fees. The $4,315,679.00 in student fees is roughly $126.93 per student for the whole year, or around $60 per semester plus a small amount for summer classes. NCAA Financial Reports Database University of North Texas Ticket Sales $420,729.00 Student Fees $4,315,679.00 Guarantees $1,241,400.00 Contributions $2,610,062.00 Government Support $0.00 Direct Institutional Support $0.00 Indirect Institutional Support $0.00 NCAA/Conference Distributions $1,190,727.00 Concessions, Programs, Parking $214,476.00 Advertisements & Sponsorship $346,491.00 Sports Camps $260,870.00 Other $42,814.00 Total $10,643,248.00 DEFINITION OF REVENUE FIELDS Ticket Sales Student Fees Fees that specifically fund the athletic department. In some cases these come with something in return, like tickets to games. Guarantees Money received from participation in away games. Contributions Donations to athletic department, including amount paid in excess of a ticket Direct State or Other Government Support Any government money specifically for the athletic department that the university has no option to use elsewhere. Direct Institutional Support Includes unrestricted funds allocated to the athletic department by the university. For example, state funds and tuition waivers. Indirect Facilities and Administrative Support Examples: Use of university attorney, facility maintenance, grounds and field maintenance, security, risk management, utilities, and debt service. NCAA/Conference Distributions including all tournament revenues Bowl games, tournaments and NCAA distributions. Broadcast, Television, Radio, and Internet Rights Money from contracts negotiated directly by the university (not the conference or NCAA) for radio and television broadcasts, Internet and ecommerce rights. Program Sales, Concessions, Novelty Sales, and Parking Royalties, Advertisements and Sponsorships Money from corporate sponsorships, ads and royalties. The value of products or services provided as part of a sponsorship equipment, apparel, sport drinks, etc. are included. Sports Camp Revenues Sports camps and clinics. ABOUT THE DATABASE This is the most detailed, publicly available database of college athletic department financial information ever assembled. It came from forms required by the NCAA for the 2004-05 school year. While the NCAA reports such information only in aggregate, the data is presented here by individual school --- with the ability for users to sort by category and conference, and to compare two schools. The Star obtained the forms through freedom of information requests to the 215 public schools that compete in Division I. There were 164 responses, 76 percent. (Requests also were sent to Division I's 112 private schools, which had no obligation to release the information. None did. In addition, state law in Pennsylvania and Delaware does not require its public schools to comply.) The numbers are presented here as they were reported to the NCAA. No attempt was made to change or research anomalies. The NCAA does that. Despite improvements in accounting procedures, schools still differ in how they report certain information. For example, some placed all contributions in the "non-program specific" category, while others broke them down by football, men's basketball, etc. NCAA Reports Database

Flyer, your calculations are way off. You are comparing the per semester contributions at the other schools with per year contributions at North Texas. Double each of the other schools Total revenue from fees for more accurate figures.

The amount referred to was the total $4,200,000 that athletics currently receives from the student fees. Divide that figure by the 34,000 enrollment and it's $123 per student per year. It's not the exact figure for every student but it is the average.

University of South Alabama ...... $253.00 per student per semester South Alabama Tuition and Fee schedule South Alabama increased the athletic fee effective this year with intents to participate in Sun Belt football in 2012. Florida International University......$227.65 per student per semester Florida International Fee Schedule The fee is based on $14.51 per credit hour (at 15 hours) plus a per semester $10 Intercollegiate Athletics Fee. There is a currently a proposal being reviewed by the FIU Board of Regents that would raise the fee $1.46 per credit hour which would raise the athletic fee to $15.97 per credit hour ($249.55 per student per semester) Florida Atlantic University.....$206.25 per student per semester FAU Fee Increase In 2005 Florida Atlantic Trustees saw the need to raise the athletics fee from $11.75 to $13.75 per credit after a student referendum failed that would have made FAU's athletics fee higher than several other Florida university's. After 3 years in the Sun Belt and the subsequent success of the athletic programs, there is a likelihood that an additional increase will soon be passed. Louisiana Lafayette.....$208.00 per student per semester Louisiana Monroe.....$208.00 per student per semester The colleges of the University of Louisiana System do not charge a 'set athletics fee'. Instead the state sets an amount that all state colleges (other than LSU) can direct from tuition and service fees towards athletics. The total amount is based on enrollment and division level. In June 2007 the Lousiana State Legislature passed the measure which would direct an estimated $6.5 to $6.7 million per year from fees towards the University of Louisiana Sysytem's largest college, Louisiana-Lafayette. ($6,500,000.00 divided by 14,500 enrollment over 2 semesters). Louisiana Tech uses the quarters system instead of semesters but the student contribution is still the same. In addition, the state of Louisiana covers much of the cost of capital improvements (stadiums, basketball arenas). University of Texas-San Antonio.....$240.00 per student per semester UTSA Today on Athletics Fee increase The students at UTSA passed a referendum in September 2007 that will raise the athletics fee from $10 to $20 per credit hour for up to 12 hours (capped at a maximum $240 per semester). The increase has since been approved by the University of Texas regents. The increase is designed to enable UTSA to not only start football, but to field a competitive team. Texas State University.....$300.00 per student per semester by 2012 Athletics Fee Increase of February 2008 The Texas State fee is being raised to $20 per credit hour over the next 5 years. (the $300 figure shown above is based on 15 hour courseload) North Texas......less than $60 per student per semester Students at North Texas contribute only $123.00 each per year to athletics; that's less than $60 per semester when summer sessions are considered. It's a recipe' for failure. A tiny increase of a dollar or two per semester may assist with getting a stadium built, but it will do nothing to address the real problem. Many of these schools listed above have enrollments in the 30,000 range or higher. Some, like FAU are planning further increases. With their set student contributions, it will nearly be impossible for North Texas to be competitive, and the reputation of the entire university will continue to suffer.

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Boise State might seek spot in league Humanitarian Bowl bid could be part of effort By MARK ANDERSON LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL Mountain West Conference commissioner Craig Thompson, shown at a news conference Tuesday at Green Valley Ranch Station, said he expects his league to secure a bid in the 2009 Humanitarian Bowl. Photo by Craig L. Moran Could the Mountain West Conference's next step be adding Boise State? League commissioner Craig Thompson didn't sound eager Tuesday to invite the Broncos, but he said an agreement appears in reach with the Boise-based Humanitarian Bowl. The Mountain West could send a team to that game this season if the Atlantic Coast Conference fails to qualify an eighth bowl team, but a deal would be for a guaranteed spot in 2009 for the No. 5 MWC team. The league's other four bowl contracts expire then, and the Humanitarian could negotiate to move up and take a higher-finishing Mountain West team. Thompson didn't deny Boise State might use the bowl as a means to gain admission into the Mountain West. "It's two different deals, but they probably will," Thompson said. "I think we will get the Roady's Humanitarian Bowl done with or without Boise State's influence." A Mountain West representative would face a team from the Western Athletic Conference, which includes Boise State. The Broncos played the past two seasons in the Hawaii and Fiesta bowls. "I'm making a major presumption here, which is dangerous, but I've heard that Boise State doesn't always like to play in the Boise bowl," Thompson said. "If they're having a Mountain West opponent, they'll probably say, 'Sign me up!' "

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Here are the per semester student athletic fees for this year at South Alabama. Please remember that South Alabama does not even start playing division 1 football until 2012. Athletic Fee Undergraduate full-time (12 hours or more) 253.00 Graduate full-time (6 hours or more) 253.00 Undergraduate part-time (6-11 hours) 140.00 Graduate part-time (4-5 hours) 140.00 Undergraduate part-time (1-5 hours) 79.00 Graduate part-time (1-3 hours) 79.00 Source: University of South Alabama official web site Yet people think that I am advocating imposing something unrealistic to raise North Texas athletic fees to $240 per semester to support a program that requires financial help. Folks, that is the going rate. North Texas has always underfunded it's athletics and it shows in the results. It is time to ___ ___ _______! Lets's see who the first smartass is.

Sure the Big Ten wants Notre Dame, but if it can't have it, Rutgers and the New York market isn't such a bad consolation prize. If, and I am stating IF, that were to happen, how do you think the Big East would react? I don't think just adding Memphis would be enough and the Big East would look for the best long term stability; expanding to 12 football schools by adding the best candidates available.

Didn't Houston face a similar dilemma several years ago when they hosted Texas. Hastily constructed temporary student seating was not structuraly sound and the additional students sections were then moved to seating areas that had already been sold to Longhorns fans. The displaced Longhorn fans were given refunds but were unable to attend the game. Now Texas will not play Houston again in Houston unless the game is played off campus in Reliant Stadium. North Texas does not have a similar backup stadium available. Wouldn't it make sense to design one capable of accomodating the North Texas students, the North Texas fan base, and fans of the visiting team? North Texas has almost sold out the horrible Fouts Field stadium when hosting very small schools like TCU, Baylor, Tulsa, and SMU. Imagine what the situation will be if one of the larger Big Twelve schools comes to Denton. bringing in excess of 10,000 fans. We don't have to wait long because Kansas State is already on the home schedule for September 25, 2010.

First, let me say this is good news.........but......I don't think that's big enough. I think it should be 45,000 and expandable to 70,000. In the meantime, yes 35,000 is certainly large enough to seat everyone for most games, but the students are likely going to be substantially funding this stadium. The events that they will most want to attend are the premier games against BCS teams and regional foes. Those games should sell out. How can you expect students to contribute so generously but then potentially be locked out of the premier events. The stadium seating capacity should be based on enrollment plus however many tickets the Athletic Department figures that they are capable of selling. Am I wrong on this? Shouldn't the students be guaranteed a seat to the most desirable events if they are already paying for it?

Although I agree about the Notre Dame situation, that doesn't change the fact that they are still in command of their own destiny and every school in the nation will bend over backwards to get them on the schedule. Their national fan base insures that they can always make more by having their own television package. I think you brought up an interesting scenario with the Texas Longhorns. What if Texas went independent, kept the neutral site game with OU, played a home-and-home series with A&M, played another national top competitor (USC, Ohio St., or Florida) each year, and then scheduled 9 additional home games against well compensated pushovers. They could have their own television contract, maximize their ticket income, and be in position to play for the BCS championship every couple of years. Of course it would blatantly be poor sportsmanship, but since when has that ever determined decisions in Austin. It's all about the money and the trophys.

I really hope that you are right. I really do. There is so much riding on this referendum. It could be a permanent solution to the most visible deficiency that has haunted North Texas for over 60 years. A defeat, or insufficient increase, may still get a minimal stadium built, but the results from a low budget will not only prevent North Texas from moving into higher profile leagues, but could eventually lead to North Texas departing the Bowl Championship level along with other under-performing schools.

I believe that you're right. I know that the Big Ten has tried twice within the last 10 years to entice Notre Dame to join but the NBC deal was just too lucrative for them to leave. Big Ten commish Jim Delaney stated this past summer that the conference was again reviewing expansion and mentioned usual target Notre Dame but possibly Syracuse or Rutgers as an alternative. All three fit the conference geographic / academic profile and would be excellent additions to the Big Ten Network. The quote may have been a warning to Notre Dame not to extend their NBC contract past it's expiration in 2010. Notre Dame has since extended their NBC contract through 2015. If the Big Ten goes to twelve by adding Syracuse or Rutgers, then the Big East will probably react by splitting (football/non football) selecting the 5 best expansion candidates. CUSA would almost certainly be a source for several of those Big East expansion candidates. The remaining western CUSA schools will be putting on their finest lipstick for the remaining 3 Mountain West positions. (which could even become 5 if there is subsequent Pac 10 expansion) Hawaii, Fresno State, Boise State, and Nevada will already be chasing these openings out of desparation but expect NMSU, UTEP, SMU, Tulsa and Houston to also make attempts. SJSU, Idaho and Utah State return to familiar territory with their traditional opponents in the Big Sky Conference. The WAC dies, and the remaining Sun Belt and CUSA schools eventually split into southeastern and south central region conferences as South Alabama, Texas State, Missouri State, and UTSA move up and NMSU is absorbed from the defunct WAC. La Tech will probably fill the void left in the Southland by the departure of Texas State. Just kidding Techies. That is how the dominos fall. Then again, maybe Notre Dame joins the Big Ten and nothing else changes.

The students certainly do have an important role, but there needs to be some decisive leadership from Dr. Bataille. Just 'watching with interest' can be done by a lawn statue. The university needs leadership.

South Bend Tribune Is North Texas prepared to navigate this coming 'Sea of Changes' ? Opportunity may soon be knocking, but it may be a very long time before that opportunity again rises.

I don't think they'll have any problem as long as it is structured correctly. The current contributions are an incredibly low $63 per student per semester. This has enabled North Texas to barely afford to be competitive in the lowest ranked conference in all of Division 1 (Bowl Division). A $30 per semester raise in the fee each year for the next 6 years would not only allow North Texas to build excellent facilities, but would also allow the school's athletic programs to become a juggernaut amongst the non-BCS programs. 2008-2009 school year - $60 per semester 2009-2010 school year - $90 per semester 2010-2011 school year - $120 per semester 2011-2012 school year - $150 per semester 2012-2013 school year - $180 per semester 2013-2014 school year - $210 per semester 2015-2016 school year - $240 per semester The $30 per semester increment is equal to the cost of 7 gallons of gasoline. Hardly anything that would deter a student from attending North Texas. The benefit to the university's image and to the student's eventual degree will be priceless. Trust me on this one, at 34,000 in enrollment, and probably pushing 45,000 by 2016, North Texas should be a magnet for corporate sponsors as long as it fields competitive teams. Winning teams will get alumni and the community supporting the university in a way that North Texas has never enjoyed in it's history. Suddenly, for the first time since it's inception in 1890, North Texas is a destination school. NORTH TEXAS; A GREAT UNIVERSITY! * One other point. I believe that the new stadium should be planned for 45,000 with the ability to eventually expand to the 70,000 seat range. It's not right to charge students for athletics and then not have enough seating for them once marketable teams are brought to Denton.

Kyle Padron should be fine at SMU. Jones obviously believes has the ideal size, speed, and strength to run his offense even if Padron hasn't yet accumulated much of a track record. Padron still has a year of high school and will then probably redshirt in 2009. 2010 and 2011 will probably be spent as a backup since I don't think anyone on their roster should be able to unseat Bo Levi Mitchell.

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The whole plan is so Krameresque that it's hard to believe that it actually got implemented. It was doomed it to failure the second it was first posted on the board. Members of the gomeangreen.com community, granted with the best of intentions, decided to exploit the least fortunate of society in an effort to boost football attendance figures. The plans was to buy ticket from the athletic department and offer them for free alonng with a hot dog to orphans if they came to North Texas football games. It was the big project of the gomeangreen.com board for the whole off-season. Many posters contributed several hundred dollars each. Of course nobody came, and the athletic department just kept the money.