Leaderboard

UNT 61 - OU 57 North Texas and new coach Jalie Mitchell have beaten 17th ranked Oklahoma!!!!! First win over a ranked team in UNT Womens Basketball history. UNT never trailed in the game.

Denton loves him because he's doing a fine job of keeping gameday traffic around the city to a minimum.

The best thing about this...arguably our best ever player gets the program's biggest ever win.

Do we get the defense back, too? No? Then, I guess losing by an average of 2 scores vs. 4 is really special to you.

Hey Fellas, Is there anyway to get a stickied "I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT RV" thread? And contain the the RV conversations to it? I don't even bother posting any content at the moment because I'm really sick of seeing the same conversation on every thread. About 3 posts in it's the RV's-fault-needs-to-change speech. EVERYONE. ON. THE. BOARD. GETS. IT. I'm not one against the removal of Rick, and I wasn't against the banner measures either. But we haven't actually talked about football on this thread since signing day. The state of the program is a shit show, but honestly, it's like the endless-barney-theme-song-and-strobe-light psych torture to try and have a conversation here. This obviously dead conversation is alienating as many people as RV. Maybe we can even make a whole sub-forum under football that's "Potential AD Candidates" or "RV Tactical Removal Team". I don't care what you call it because I will never go there. But I can pretty much regurgitate every thread that will come up there. Display your discontent but quit hijacking every thread to push an agenda that's already been pushed to a stopping point. We don't have to all get a long or agree or whatever, but the off-topic train can go to hell.

According to Kram you're lazy and need to take initiative. It's not like it's the Athletics Department job to reach out to prospective donors. That would be asinine. Get your act together Dr. Seuss.

Its a good time to review the 2015 schedule, it's affect on losing, and it's overall affect on the future of Mean Green Football. I have long pointed to this particular year as a year that there would be 5 home games. This was due to the Iowa whore game scheduled in 2009 and the Tennessee whore game scheduled in what seems like the 1990s and moved to 2015 in 2011. So Iowa scheduled in 2009 and Tennessee in 2011. Remember that. As we headed into 2015, we tried to buy our own whore, something we had to do to simply get to 5 home games. We apparently let our whore name the time, if not the place, as RV wasn't even skilled enough to purchase a whore for opening day. While every other college in America opened football season, UNT sat in their dorm rooms. Then we opened at SMU to a beat down, returned home for a Rice beat down, whored ourselves to Iowa for a beat down, then... Had homecoming on Texas-OU weekend with a 4PM start time, barely after Texas-OU had ended. So those with kids and Saturday morning sports got to tailgate for 2 hours, maybe. And this wasn't for TV. There was none. But we played the game at 4PM. Maybe Rick and the 17 had dinner reservations on the square at 8:00? Priorities. And it's clear this season was one to RV. So, the whore we bought named the date and rolled us for 450k. Rolled us hard. To the tune of the worst loss in FBS history. But why did we have to buy a whore anyway? Because of Tulsa, right? I mean, that's what RV said. Tulsa screwed us out of a 6 home game season when they left the conference in 2013. Except we already had 2 whorin dates scheduled for 2015 when that happened. Those were scheduled in 2009 and 2011, remember? Oh? You say SMU series must not have been scheduled until after Tulsa decided to leave in 2013? Wrong again. It was scheduled in 2008: http://m.meangreensports.com/m/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/062708aaa.html So, surely Tulsa was originally scheduled in place of Portland St. to be at UNT in 2015, right? That has to be it. Except it isn't. Because UNT would have been playing at Tulsa in 2014 if this were the case, correct? Well... UNT played at UT and at Indiana in 2014. UT had been scheduled years earlier and Indiana was a return of a 1 and 1. So, if Tulsa would have been an away game in 2014, SMU would have been our only home game. So to recap, RV has said Tulsa caused this year's 5 home games. UNT played Tulsa in 2011. That was the last game of that contract.In 2013, we entered a conference with Tulsa, and played at Tulsa again. If there was a new contract, Why wouldn't Tulsa have played at in 2014? When is that return Tulsa game owed? It isn't. It's a lie of convenience by Rick Villarreal, and a lie he has re-issued several times. Then the next home game is a Thursday night against WKU. Shocked that only 10k showed up to present UNT on national TV? Then we FINALLY get a Saturday game at 6PM... On Halloween... If you wanted a game to have a 2:00PM start, this game was begging for it. But no, this AD thought 6PM on Halloween was right. And about 10k fans tolerated the decision. And then, after all that crap ass scheduling, we get 3 straight road games in November, followed by a game in Saturday after Thanksgiving against UTEP, a team that normally brings a large amount of fans to Apogee... Unless it's the Saturday after Thanksgiving. The lack of effort and foresight put into this schedule is reason enough to fire an AD, much less when it's reason number 1362. The loss to Portland St has put this program back at least 8 years in how this program is perceived. That is a direct result of lazy schedule management. Would we have won more with a better schedule? Maybe. Especially with one more home game. Did this schedule ensure a less than 3 win season when it became clear we had no option at QB? You better believe it.

How many of y'all get phone calls throughout the year? I haven't received one. My old roommate is a season ticket holder manager for the Stars, he does the exact same job as these people.. Yes, he gets paid more and its more sales but the principle is the same, get people to renew. I would like to see some effort from the Athletic Dept.. They complain about the stadium being empty but what are you trying to do to make it full?? Your team could call every single season ticket holder and personally invite them out to the game in less than 3 days... Instead of unifying the program as a whole, RV selecting a certain few and the majority of the people don't agree. The program is a joke and I don't know why I waste my time talking about it...

Derek Thompson was the RV of quarterbacks. Mostly bad, some good, and when we get a good one in here we'll realize how low our standards were. But both will somehow end up in the HOF (see low standards) and somehow before Booger (see crime against humanity).

I never once took a stand in this big debate, but somehow, you gathered your resolve and figured out that a decent QB is better than a make-a-wish kid, some quitters, a guy with a pool noodle taped to what was most likely an amputation, and the guy who is still learning how to put in real effort and practice. That said, the team could also have scored 30 in every single game this season and would still have the same record, so really not sure why you're doing this, but I think everyone appreciates a new thread.

I was a Stars season ticket holder for a couple of seasons back in 2007 and I still get personalized emails and calls every now and then from sales reps. I haven't renewed UNT season tickets and donations since the first year of the Benford experiment and have received no communication from the athletic department since then. My overall investment in UNT was higher than with the Stars, but with the Stars, I'm still considered a potential customer, with RV's athletic department, according to fly, I'm a piss ant, non-factor who's money won't be missed. Guess who gets my hard-earned dollars when I get the chance to spend them?

You and your buddies became the wine and cheese crowd the minute that you said that the smaller donations didn't matter as much. Calling the donors like me piss ants because I can only donate as much as a humble military officer and teacher wife can afford (while still donating to her alma mater, UCLA, who is ecstatically grateful for all donations, not just the big ones). The ivory tower donations may be able to pay for the big ticket items and make RV feel like he's doing his job, but the fact that he is not interested in cultivating all donations shows a half-assed effort or completely apathetic attitude in the performance of his duties. Even if his job, from a fund raising standpoint, is to play golf with the pipehitters, the fact that he is not holding his minions accountable for their lack of effort is still a failure on his part. The "piss ants" (assuming that it's tongue-and-cheek) are the donations that truly matter and are the readily available ones. The fact that he has referred to the numerical and under-tapped/appreciated majority simply because we don't throw money at him hand-over-fist shows a complete detachment from reality. 17 donors are not able to financially sustain a program. If he instructed his staff to begin aggressively pursuing donations from the every man (like UCLA), we would not need bodybag games to finance our athletic department and we could actually have an appealing schedule with winnable games. I care about wins. I care about the program. I'm shocked that you guys are appalled by the rebellious financial minority getting fed up at not being listened to. 1000 of the minority actually engaged by the leadership will compliment the wine and cheese donors quite well (in my world, we call it main efforts and supporting efforts). I have no problem referring to the 6 figure donors as the main effort. But, the success of the main effort is only possible by paying AS MUCH ATTENTION TO THE SUPPORTING EFFORTS AS THE MAIN EFFORT!

Does Jalie Mitchell coach football too?

NT 61 Oklahoma 57 Final I basically never do the tower for anything besides men's basketball, but this deserves it! First ever win over a ranked team.

Our women are beating #17 Oklahoma 27 -17 at the commercial break ~midway through the 2nd. It's on Fox College Sports. Good game. OK has never led. NT women leading 35-29 at the half over a ranked Big 12 team.

Which side will be the first to get boats involved? Maybe an actual RV?

I think this is an ingenious way to prove that your little rants and campaigns are not about ego. I would have never thought to start a thread with "Its so hard being so right so often, mofos!!" in order to demonstrate humility and a lack of self-serving attitudes. Bravo, sir. Bravo.

People are using his HC hires as an example because its one that everyone can agree with. If RV would have came out and said "I wouldn't go out and say Mac was a good or bad hire but at the end of the day -- We had some great moments that we'll share for the rest of our life together. Then they're moments I wish I never thought I'd be in. We have to move on and learn from our mistakes and grow from what we did well. I believe if we do these things, seeing 30k of the 40k that showed up in 2013 will be coming back to denton six times a year." Thats it... Instead, RV came out and said that he did everything perfect and wouldn't have changed anything.. That's not going to win people over...

Ricks job is safe for another decade

that 61-57 score would look great on a billboard

When you created the #itsallajoke hashtag, I don't think you had any idea how ironic #itsallajoke would end up being. Here is a hint. You can't say you cook BBQ so therefore are a common man and then turn around and call the common man a piss ant. Maybe you should have conversations outside your normal circle to get a wider view of why people feel the way they do. Otherwise, you ARE just a wine and cheese guy, talking to the 17 others about how stupid the rest of us are.

Really disappointed in Frenchy. Normally he uses the sides of his trucks for good, not evil.

Things are so bad I even miss Todd Dodge. 8-(

no doubt RVs biggest failure here was his inability to get Thompson an eighth year of eligibility. at least he hired a crew to patch up the cracks in the end zone wall.

The ladies may still struggle this season. If they do then I still think this win matters. It's certain to help Jalie in recruiting, but I don't think it's wasted if they win 10-15. This was a VERY bad team last year and there will likely be plenty of bumps in the road.

And Jalie went to UNT! See, we need some more mean green graduates in the athletic program! Maybe even the AD?

So mitchell, in her second game, already has a better win than benford, peterson, dodge, mac, canales, ashton, and jones...damn...please don't let this be a shot in the dark...

I don't think our current situation is nearly as bad as it has been at other times in the past. For one, I can remember how disappointing it was coming off seasons of 10-1 and 9-2 in 1979. Our coach left and the best we could hire was the freshman coach at Nebraska? He promptly took the best talent we have ever had and went 11-11 over the next two seasons. I was glad when he left. Maybe I shouldn't have been. We hired Bob Tyler and wen 2-9 (sadly, it made 11-11 look a lot better). So, I think we were much worse off then. I think we were worse off in 1984 when we had one of the best I-AA teams in the nation. But, our AD wanted a free trip to Nevada and turned in a low estimation of attendance so that Nevada-Reno got the home game instead of us. We lost 17-20 in the snow. I think we were worse off in 1985 when during a game in Lubbock, one of our players attacked a coach on the sideline during the game. I think we were worse off in 1991 when we hired our first high school coach. We went 12-20-1 over the next three years. I think we were worse off when we were in the Big West conference. Nobody cared when Utah State or Idaho or came to town. Were the Dodge teams bad? Of course they were. But, all things considered, we are in a much better position than we have been at other times. I want to win too, but the sky isn't falling. It's just a few guys that have a limited perspective making a lot of noise.

Wonder how much that cost RV? More or less than his personal Mean Green Club donation (or lack thereof)?

This is a great win even if the rest of the season does not turn out well, but I hope it's a sign of things to come. UNT played so well that Oklahoma and its coach couldn't believe it. She was completely rattled on the post-game telecast. As for the people who are using this to say "I told you so," it's no wonder you back RV: You are the most easily satisfied sports fans on the planet. Even a single day of good news is enough for you to forget 10 years of bad.

That is your answer right there. Listen this is a forum of the ultra zealot. If we were a religious sect, we wouldn't be the people who show up only on Easter, we wouldn't even be the people who handle snakes, we would be the people who all dress alike and drink the poisoned kool aide at the same time so we can make the mother-ship ride to a P5 conference. Like any other group of incredibly involved fanatics when things go bad there isn't much else to do except eat our own. We argue about dogma (The Sepulcher of the Big Donor vs The Holy Way of Small Gifts), we nailed treatises to church doors (banners/billboards), we even argue if the Pope (Villarealous the First) is infallible, or if perhaps we should throw him into the Brazen Eagle (Not many people know this but Spiriki is actually a giant smoker, it makes greats brisket). The problem isn't that we are zealots, the problem is there are too few of us. People freaking out when things go bad is a good sign, not enough people did at UTA and now they don't have a program. The real root problem is that there are too few of us, most UNT alums avoud athletics like the would hare krishnas. --- Actually the first person to mention the AD was someone defending him, of course the detractors are going to answer:

Yeah, we couldn't even celebrate the lady's win last night without the RV diarrhea splattering all over the thread. Miserable people are just going to be miserable.

It's one ffffffffin win. How'd that one bowl win in Mac's tenure work out for you and your buddies? Ah, yes. The North Texas standard.

How can you base a hire off of one win? That's my point. It's extremely too irrational to even bring Mitchell in the conversation, that's what RV would do. He makes irrational decisions. Perfect example, giving an extension to a 3rd year HC after his first winning season in 3 years. Look what UNLV did, of course they didn't win their bowl game but their HC had another losing season and was fired after his forth season. That's what should have happened to Mac, if we had any press like SMU or TCU, he would have been fired.

I have said this before so please excuse the redundancy. There are excess of 1 million high school football players. About 70k play college ball. I contend there is an all American football team out there driving tractors, living in inner cities where no one pays attention, or on a loading dock. I know one coach that has found those kids. n fact he has recruited over 20 kids who have gone to the NFL in 15 years on a D2 level. He is 39 years old, has turned 2 programs around. Just won the Lone Star Conference. His father is a retired college coach, that coached in Texas. They know every high school coach around. He turns programs around, he recruits well and ,he is a proven winner. Colby Carthel, from TAMC is what we need..

This is much worse. Much much worse. It's one thing to be the worst team in the nation... But hire a new coach, in a new stadium, to get to a bowl game and then so quickly see your program allowed to once again become the worst in the freaking nation.... It's flat out demoralizing.

You must've been the kid that pressed the reset button every time you were losing at a video game.

Oh and there was a REAL pre-game tonight!!! Spotlight, court lit green. It looked good. It'd be great with 8-10K in attendance.

Hair Roman played one season, 2007. Mendoza coached one season, 2007. OU happened the first game of 2007. Rice happened in 2008. I said the 2009 or 2010 team would've beaten this team by 2tds. In 2015, we are averaging 15.8 points per game while giving up 43.4. Outscored by 27.6 points per game. In 2010, we averaged 23.9 and gave up 29.7. Outscored by 5.8 points per game(with a 3rd or 4th string qb for 10 of the 12 games). In 2009, we averaged 26.1 while giving up 35.6. Outscored by 9.5 points per game. Since you brought up the two years that I didn't claim would beat this team, here are their stats as well. In 2008, we averaged 20.0 points per game while giving up 47.6. Outscored by 27.6 points per game. Our worst season on record. In 2007, we averaged 24.8 while giving up 45.1. Outscored by 20.3 in our only season with Mendoza at DC. Now, let those statistics sink in, then tell me how the 2015 team could beat the 09 or 10 teams by a touchdown.

Has an RV hire ever beat a ranked team? GREAT JOB LADIES! GO MEAN GREEN!

Amazing, I had a lot of doubts about the Mitchell hire. I will gladly be about as wrong as you can be. Great win, Ladies.

Jalie Mitchell is about to secure one of the biggest upsets in NT women's bball history. GMG! DONE GMG!!! Jalie's first win as a HC, and it's over the 17th ranked team in the country.

http://meangreennation.com/rocky-top-tennessee-ut-24-north-texas-0/ In lieu of a game recap, I wrote about the visit to Knox-Vegas, as one friend called it.

This is pretty dead on. I would add that during Dodge, we heard excuses from the AD that it's hard to win with Fouts. We, or at least I, didn't know how willfully and frequently this AD would lie to the fan base. So we (I) took him at his word. But now we have everything in place to win. And have for 5 years. Right when we should be coming into our own and dominating CUSA, we are the worst program in not only the conference, but all of college football. Throw on top of that a 59 point loss to something called Portland St., and you have a livid fan base. And then you have an AD that lies about his schedule, lies about just a "minute few" wanting him gone, and I'm convinced would tell you the Pope was Baptist if he thought that would deflect attention from his awful job performance. Put all that together and you have the all time low fan base morale at UNT. But if you ask RV, he will tell you brighter days are right around the corner.

On par with "sources close to the program..."

How about this....anyone who feels compelled to ease the refugee crisis signs up to be a sponsor. You sign up and commit to house, clothe, feed, be legally and financially responsible and liable for, etc. x number of refugees in your house indefinitely or until they are able to return to their own country. I'm sure there a millions of spare bedrooms in the U.S. that can be put to good use. Those what want to help out, can.

I'll do what I want... Which is pretty much nothing

At the time time RV took over Dickey had a three-year record of 8-25. If any of us were taking an Athletic Director's position and inherited a coach with that record and didn't put a coach on notice we shouldn't be hired in the first place. Although we got into the first NO Bowl with a losing record, the following three bowl appearances were solid as a result of the best recruiting class in our history. At that, we only won one bowl during the Helwig/Dickey era...the same number that we've won since Villareal became AD. The Portland State loss is unquestionably the worst loss in our football history and RV acted by the time the players and staff were in the locker room. I agree that RV should be gone but I don't think that will happen until his contract is up in 2017. Certainly not before the new hire or it would already have happened. So, how is all of the vitriol helping? Eighty mentions (probably more) of the same failing seems unproductive to me. The first ten or twenty might help vent your/our feelings but this has gotten way past old. This is pure hate. And no, I'm not a member of of RV's 11 or 17 or whatever the number is. I don't even disagree that it's time for RV to go. But, for pete's sake, let the administration (Smatresk) handle the situation. If he doesn't understand our stance by now he never will.