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It looks like 9-4 when I do the math.

I used numbers to actually provide some sort of empirical evidence and objective evidence for my statements...college numbers, of course...since we we're discussing their college careers and considering the list of kids who could drop 40 in a high school game and then never sniff a college basketball floor is massive...but let's not let that obscure the fact that my opinion is more formed from not just having watched live all but maybe a dozen home games from 01-07, but also from the first-hand experience of having played and scrimmaged with and against many of these players. Perhaps I was able to see certain things from the basketball floor that you couldn't see from your seat. But if you want specifics, here's a few... - I saw Hop learn how to use his body, even developing some effective post moves, especially as his athleticism continued to decline late in his career due to his foot issues. - I saw Rogers slow down and learn how to run a team, rather than just being a change-of-pace guard...he went from a 15 minute a night sub to a starter and leader who I swear played 40 minutes a night by conference play his senior year. - If you didn't see a significant evolution in Calvin's game...I really don't know what to say - I saw Simpson, in only his two seasons here, go from a pure energy athlete who got his buckets on nothing but lobs and put-backs, to one who developed a consistent baby-hook and some semblance of a post game - I saw Q go from a timid and soft kid with terrible foot-work and range that you might measure in inches rather than feet develop into one of the best post players of the JJ era...one who understood how to use his body, read the ball better as a rebounder and could knock down 12-15 foot shots. And let me be clear about something...I've never said JJ was great at developing talent. He's tried projects like Howerton and Knox and missed...and he certainly never got the best out of players like Ty Thomas and Ron Harris...but your initial contention was that JJ didn't develop talent. That's just not right. You're either saying that JJ essentially rolled out high school all-star teams for 11 seasons...or that you feel that some of these players would've turned out significantly better with different coaching. Either way, it's insulting and disparaging towards what JJ did here...and if the last season and a half has taught us anything, its that swipes like that should probably stop.

Spike Dykes’ record during his 14 years at Tech: 82-67 Mike Leach’s record during his 10 years at Tech: 84-43 According to you, the only metric for comparing these two is their record against the horns. Dykes went 7-7 against a program that was 95-68 during his time at Tech Leach went 2-7 against a program that was 128-27 during his time at Tech. Which included the upset of the then #1 ranked mighty horns. I’m not sure why you mentioned 2010-2013 when Leach wasn’t at Tech and Kingsbury was only there for the most recent year in which he was coaching a team made up of mostly players brought in by the failed (or as you might say stinky boogerbutt dumbhead stupidface) Tommy Tuberville. I’ll agree that Leach has yet to field a good defense. However, the fact that his defenses have been so bad only further proves how good his offenses have been. In case you forgot, he had a winning season in each of the 10 seasons he was at Tech. So in conclusion, you’re wrong. Because sports.

So kids who improved their stats didn't improve at all. I am sorry, jumping to a higher level of competition does not mean you reference their HS numbers. If some kid averaged 18 a game in college and his first year in the NBA scores about 6 that's expected. If he suddenly scores 18 his 3rd year HE"S IMPROVED.

if he's talking to Jaime Christian, he is being told whatever he wants to hear to get him to commit. Just a gut feeling, but I dont trust that dude. He's a salesman. He gets results though. He comes off a person that would negatively recruit by talking bad about other teams. Some do it, some dont. UH has a very nice presentation and nice facilities. Now that the new stadium is coming, it should be even more impressive. I would assume they did what a lot of schools do and show him tape. They put a guy up there that is not that good, or show a players worst plays. They tell him we need you to replace this guy. Recruit sees the horrible film and thinks, I can take this dude's position. School says we can suit you up and put you on the field right now. X is not your average recruit. I am assuming this based on his ivy league offer and that he must handle his business in the classroom. Things other than football will factor in his decision. Family has already been mentioned. I would also think major and academics would too.

Curse you John Odoh. YOU'RE TEARING THIS FANBASE APART

He actually listed himself... lolz

Let me help. Leonard Hopkins Jerome Rogers Calvin Watson Jeffery Simpson Quincy Williams Kedrick Hogans Tristan Thompson Michael Sturns (much as I can't stand him) Alzee Williams and hell...Tyler Hall.

Flipping from a JUCO to a bottom of the barrel Big XII team...yeah, that makes sense.

Coach Nelson was with him and bought some furniture. And from what I heard.....Gallery's travel distance limit on delivering furniture is Dallas.....but they made an exception since Nelson coached at NT---and delivered to Denton. That's the story I heard anyway.

Can't discuss Mattress Mac without bringing up his support when Andrew Smith died. He paid to have the entire team fly down for the funeral in Bay City. A few years later, when Mac was being honored at a UNT Alumni Houston chapter scholarship fundraising dinner, he made a point of inviting Andrew's parents, and honoring them.

Really? Who? Who was the potential NBA-caliber player who was done a dis-service by JJ's lack of development? Hop? Had JJ groomed him to be a point guard rather than a 2...and if he didn't have the foot issues, maybe. Calvin? decent size for a two, but he lacked lateral movement and quickness...he carved out a hell of a career in Europe, though. Sturns? even if his head was on straight, he lacked the athleticism and size for a two and the handle (and head) for a point Shawnson? probably the closest thing to NBA-caliber player, but he made Sturns look like a well-ground, stable individual. Shawnson killed his own NBA career when he walked out of work outs with the Spurs (I believe) Tristan? 6'5" 170 doesn't make too many NBA rosters...if I recall he was doing very well in the D-League, but no one really gave him an NBA look b/c he was too thin. Am I forgetting someone? At least we can find some common ground on DT and how he'll likely undeservedly end up in as a HOFer.

I guess we locked the gates then.

At long last, revenge on Charlie Stubbs, the Tulsa offense coordinator who helped begin to crush our four game bowl season streak by humiliating us 54-2 in 2005 and 28-3 in 2006! I will not be satisfied until we fully repay Stubbs with an 82-5 drubbing...or worse!

Really happy personally and for the Mean Green, but I do think Coach Canales has earned a shot at being a HC. When the right opportunity comes for him, I hope he grabs it and has great success. Good guy, good coach...tons of experience and bottom line is, some school will ....WILL ... Be lucky to have him as their HC one of these days. In the meantime, love that you will still be part of the great Mean Green Nation, Coach.

That's why it is called an opinion CMJ. And help me find the post where I have ever professed to know anymore than anyone else on here. Or, where I felt so damn smart, intelligent or knowledgeable where I felt compelled to call someone's post stupid? The arrogance of some people.

I will try to get pics tonight . I ordered it from big game in frisco.

...North Texas went 3-1 against Tech when he was the head coach.

That sticking point is a toughie... Back then it was "How could JJ and his staff let this happen?" Now it would be "How can you hold Benny accountable for the actions of kids?"

No one insulted and/or disparaged JJ. Of course, you have that down pretty well. My opinion remains the same. With the talent these kid had prior to coming to UNT and JJ's so called development, these guys (or a number of them) should be on someone's roster in the NBA. There's was no appreciable improvement in their games other than the normal gained experience from being an upper classman and body growth. Yes, JJ did just roll the ball out there and let them play many times. I've haven't bashed Benford nearly as much here as many and certainly can't bash JJ. He was/is a good recruiter and players seem to like to play for him. No more, no less As for hoops, I'm certainly not in my prime anymore but I've actually played more competitive games (and damn good) than I have witnessed in the stands. I do think that helps me evaluate talent where I don't have to rely heavily on box score stats, magazine write ups and video's. I can't begin to tell you how often stats are misleading. Heck, it may even land Derek Thompson in the UNT HOF.

Good point adman but still don't like looking at that face. LOL

When making signs to show support for X coming here - I think it would be a nice and smart gesture to make one for each of the other guys in that list. We wouldn't want any of them to flip last second.

BillySee58, I really do enjoy reading your most astute, well thought out (and obviously) well researched posts on our recruits. Keep up the great work! GMG!

Yeah, like 93-98 said, Tee Goree and Trevor Moore are the most likely. We are pretty set at slot receiver with Carlos Harris, so I wouldn't expect Fonzale Davis or Jalen Adams to have much of a chance to start. Rutherford would be best set to redshirt but we lost both our starting outside receivers so that will depend on if we can depend on Terrell, Kidsy, and Goree to be the guys we need on the outside. Maybe even Turner Smiley after his redshirt could help redshirt Rutherford, but Smiley might play slot as well. After that I could see Davis or Willy Ivery being one or both of our return men. Maybe Tauaalo could be a starter at nose tackle, but that's a situation we shouldn't want to happen unless Tauaalo is out of this world. I think he projects better at a 3-technique but we need size and nose and we don't have much. Just my two cents.

Semi-Milestone watch: Jordan Williams needs 27 points to get to 900 on his career. Reasonable to think he'll get it sometime in the next two games.

This. Plus that's the most important thing, especially in a traditional 1-big league Yeah he wasn't basketball Jesus, but he had just netted us essentially a top-25 recruiting class if you count Tony Mitchell. Not to mention Jordan Williams and 14 point/game scorer freshman Chris Jones were going to be added back to a team that returned all 5 starters from a Sun Belt conference championship game appearance. Really hard to see us not doing better had we had continuity but we'll never truly know. Maybe we go 12-20 still and Chris Jones and Tony Mitchell have that sophomore slump naturally. I think that'd be far from what actually would've happened but that's just opinion. I didn't follow the JJ era as close as a lot of you guys did, but it really looked like the team he left was going to be his best.

JJ built a house. When he left some new idiot moved in and went on and on about how great the house was before burning the thing all the way to the ground. People can argue about how nice the house actually was... But don't act like it needed to be demolished and rebuilt from the slab up. I'd love to have RV as a landlord.

Decided to give this a slight tap for people that haven't heard about the trophy at the game.

" Couldn't " care less.

#winthewest

Some good news this morning.

#Hit6 again? Time for a bigger goal! #Hit6 aint gonna fly anymore coach! Y'all overachieved last year and now expectations are high. Let's try this: #HitCUSAChampionship

I have to chuckle every time you call out others for degenerating a thread on this board, when you've been responsible for doing it to a good number of threads yourself.

Lol u don't kno what they feeding him

His head coach is a Mean Green letterman and attends several home games a year. That had to help a little I would think? Rick

I like what Vito said about how Tauaalo can play either tackle position. That's what I got out of watching his film as well. He's a pretty big kid and we might need him to play the nose/1-tech but he might be better suited as a 3-tech. Also, good to hear he will be visiting with Xavier. Hopefully they can hit it off and help us get X.

http://www.meangreensports.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/012214aaa.html

This is a really nice win for the ladies and Coach Peterson. League leading and top national scorer plays for FIU, and the Mean Green handled that pretty darn well. Great to see them start a bit faster and then come back after losing the lead. Well done ladies, well done! On to FAU for road win number two this week!

This whole thread is getting really awkward. I feel kinda pervy for just reading it.

This forum used to be a land of love and green-lit towers.

I'd make a sweet Mean Green Club donation with that...

I think that puts you in a very, very exclusive group of 1.

Stop...For the love of God....please stop. When it gets down to ragging on one of the two best and knowledgeable basketball sources we have on this board, it has just gone too far. For the love of God....just stop!

Yeah, it seems crazy. 10 years ago, Forney had one 3A school - now we have two 4A schools. Not a ton of great talent from either school lately, but always great to see kids interested in UNT from this area. Now there is a 4A school just down Hwy 80 (Terrell) that has produced some nice talent (Booger Kennedy)

you know, I won't mind my last thought of Derek Thompson being his dropping that corner-route in perfectly to Darnell Smith. Best throw of his career.

Sorry, There is only one 12th Man Kick Off Team.

That kid had special written all over him until Benny walked into our lives. I really believe that if he and Jordan hadn't screwed themselves with their grades they'd have both transferred and probably been much better off.

Jub's committment and sacrifice for UNT Athletics has always blown me away, but if he races up to Denton for the game after a LONG weekend at Ticketstock and a 6pm Timewasters performance, I think we should induct him into the HOF immediately.

Hamilton would have been our best running back this past season. Unfortunately for him Lance was here at the same time. Talented kid.