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All of this arguing could of been avoided if only the kid workings at Kinko's was put in charge of mailing out tickets instead of the Athletic Department.

An oft repeated phrase for many an experience for Mean Green fans. Maybe we could incorporate this into some type of cheer or chant.

The referee is Frank Drebin and the National Anthem will be performed by Enrico Palazzo.

Maybe office was just slammed with all the basketball season tickets being sold. I'm sure there was a big rush to get those out to people before Christmas too

I remember when you didn't have a Green Kool-aid explanation for everything. Oh wait, no I don't.

I'll try to keep this in mind when I am standing in the UNT Will Call line New Year's Day morning watching an 80 year old lady fumble through various shoe boxes full of tickets that she set-up on a folding card table in some dark corner of the Cotton Bowl. I'm sure there will be a cozy County fair feeling to the whole thing.

Section 25 Rows 3 & 4 with 51 amigos.

I'm in the same boat, I was told on 12/17 when I bought them that they would be mailed to me via the USPS. When I called them yesterday to find out what happened they told me I would now have to pick them up. So now I can either spend an hour and a half driving to Denton/Omni and back or skip tailgating to stand in the Will Call line on game day. All of this could of been avoided with a 47 cent stamp if the ticket office would of mailed them like they told me they would. I would email RV and I'm sure he will make it right for you. P.S. I really thought our program was far enough along where we could handle something as simple as mailing tickets. I understand why everyone wants to sweep this under the rug or point fingers as someone else (FedEx), but this program is not going to move forward unless we hold people accountable for incompetence.

There is no joy in Mudville! I just called the ticket office and my only option is to go to Will Call on game day to get my tickets (apparently along with hundreds of others). I'm sorry but this is total crap. I was supposed to have paid an additional $10 for Fed Ex delivery but that option was never explained to me. I mistakenly thought that the extra $5 per ticket was for that purpose but it turns out that's just a processing fee. They also said that they couldn't use USPS because the university is technically closed. My health makes it a real chore to do this anyway but I'll try to get one of my younger family members to stand in line for us. If that should fail I won't be there. I would've probably gotten better service through any of the discount tickets. Sorry, for the rant. I probably shouldn't be posting while I'm still pissed. Just wanted to prepare any others that have this predicament. You may not come away pleased.

Attention N Tex fans: Monday Night Dec 30th Babb Bro. Bbq, HOD Bowl Show on Ticket 7-8pm, w Coach Mac & Mean Joe, followed by Bird Dogs 8:15 — George Dunham (@GeorgeDunham) December 28, 2013

this is about the third time over the last week or so where you've decided to make reference of the fact that I don't attend games...you know, because I live, according to google maps, 1,641 miles from the UNT campus and I recently had to let my Cesena pilot go (good help is hard to find, no?). the implication, at least that I'm taking (feel free to correct if I'm wrong), is that my distance in some way invalidates my opinion that UNT made a poor hire as men's basketball coach and rather than admitting their mistake, biting the bullet as many athletic departments will do, this schedule was constructed in concert between head coach and AD to put 7-5 lipstick on this dirty, smelly pig and pass it off to those not paying attention as something other than swine. Does my distance in fact lessen or even invalidate my opinion? Because, before you say yes, let me remind you that I could with a bit of effort crawl through the archives of this site and find plenty of examples of you supporting, validating and dare I say championing my opinion when I praised our program, urged patience and pragmatism and support and defended JJ against often far injust criticism. All things I did from 1,641 miles away while not attending games. I like you Mark...I do...I think you're a noble man and your heart is certainly in the right place. But the references you continue to make remind me more of those echoed by some on here for whom I do not share a similar respect. You're better than that...at least I want to think so. Now...allow me to leave you with an anecdote to help you gain an understanding of where many of us are coming from. There's this restaurant in New Haven...let's call it Eli's...now I started going to Eli's when I first moved up here and it quickly became my favorite restaurant in town. It wasn't high-end food...no James Beard awards or Michelin Stars...but it was quality, consistant food in an atmosphere I was comfortable. I got to know the owners and might even call them friends...I got to know the staff and the chef and came to really appreciate the work that went into their restaurant. About...oh...a year and a half ago, though, the head chef left to start his own restaurant in another state...everyone was supportive of the move because we know just how hard he worked to help build Eli's and how owning his own place was his dream. After that chaef left, they of course hired a new guy...and I of course continued to dine there, though I started to notice a few issues...minor at first...I'd order sweet potato fries and end up with a side-salad...I'd order a rare steak and end up with well-done...minor annoyances, but still note-worthy. Then one time about a year ago, I ordered a simple hamburger. It came out as two patties of meat surrounding one piece of bread. The next time, I ordered a chicken caesar. I was served hunks of play-do over diced, green-crayoned styrofoam. My next trip I saw "un-cooked egg and poultry smoothie" on the specials board and walked right out. It became readily apparent to me that the person my friends hired as chef really had zero concept of food, let alone any idea of how to cook. I explained my issues with the owners, but all they did was urge patience and my continued patronage. But I, and anybody with half-a palette, wanted change. Now how should I affect change, Mark? Should I continue to dine or is my and other's non-patronage the proper message?

For those that wish to add a few more tickets but wanting a good price: Go to the HOD website, select seats in section 18, enter promo code HODSCOUTS and you will pay $25 each with no fees.

Gee, I wonder if competency in the athletic department has any bearing on people's willingness to buy season tickets or attend games. Nah, that's just crazy.

Nope...what would make Coach Mac more likely to leave would be the continuance of empty seats at Apogee for home games. There is a pretty easy solution to that situation. But, like I've said before...everyone needs to learn how to win.

If you buy them directly from UNT then we get credit for the ticket sale. Our sales are important for future bowl games.

I'm sure the ticket office had something to do with it.

Please look away and pretend everything is OK. If anyone else mentions this incident immediately challenge their loyalty to the program. If that doesn't work, blame FedEx. It is not the Athletic Department's fault, they are trying as hard as they can. Just be happy that we are going to a bowl game, even though you may not be able to watch the bowl game because you will not be able to get your tickets in time due to the ticket shell game.

Just. Wow. Maybe it's a challenge marketing strategy. You know, where you make it a challenge for people to pick up a product for which they have already paid? I here it was all the rage in the old USSR. Mind boggling at a whole new level.

18 row 18 seats 1-4. We're probably sitting behind Eastwood Eagle. My dad is the alum, lives in east Texas and has been to one UNT game in the last 30 years -- the Apogee opener against my team. GMG! All wearing green.

After multiple phone tries and getting "the office is closed for the Christmas holidays" recording over and over, I finally got through to my second human today. This gal was very nice and found my tickets in the will call pile. Will call is easy to deal with. The second gal was much better than the Jason (or something that started with a J) who said he would call me back "right away" but didn't actually do anything. If you can't look up my tickets and don't plan on calling me back, just tell me you are too busy and ask me to call back later. Yes, I will be annoyed but less annoyed than being lied to. I'm hoping Coleman will have some sort of explanation for why the FexEx service that was promised didn't work but right now fixing the problem is more important. I will write him after the bowl game and ask what happened and what's being done to fix it for the future. It's sad that the University has taken what should have been a positive feeling and instead angered a number of it's most loyal fans. I don't have club seats but I have been a $1000 a year Mean Green club member since 95 or 96. Mistakes happen and that's understandable but how you try - and in this case IF you try - to correct them shows the quality of service.

I picked up on Coach Mac's annoyance with our lack of attendance a long time ago. And he is right to be annoyed.Especially since he's done such a great job of changing the culture of the football team. It's (lack of attendance) the core issue that caused us to lose Coach Mac's mentor some 30+ years ago. Kram1 says our fan base needs to learn how to be winners. I agree with that, but that "learning" that Kram1 talks about doesn't happen in a vacuum. People learn either from reactive situations like getting a speeding ticket, or getting you ass whipped by showing up in a biker bar dressed like a preppie. OR they learn in a proactive way like at Texas A&M with their fish camp and subsequent yell practices etc. But for someone to learn in the proactive way, they need to have it presented to them over, and over, and over etc etc. At A&M, they teach their fan base in their pro-active way by having a plan and by having someone to show up consistently to teach/reinforce this plan....aka their traditions. And back to Mac appearing to be annoyed with our lack of attendance. What I would say to him about that is "well, it's a good thing that we didn't have a sell-out, with lots of first time fans, for the UTSA game".

I'm afraid this is what's going to end up costing us Coach Mac. Not this specific incident, but the overall incompetence. There's likely more things that we never see that will begin to frustrate him until he finally has enough. I hope this isn't the case, but usually where there's smoke, there's fire.

If you select tickets in section 18 and use promo code HODSCOUTS you can pick those up for $25 apiece with no fees

The Mean Green's own Abner Haynes! And, he was announced as a Mean Green grad! The Mean Green Nation is Everywhere!!!!

I became concerned about our tickets after I read some of the comments that had been posted earlier in the day. I called the ticket office and spoke to a fellow there. He apologized for the problem and is sending them to me overnight by Fed Ex. There will be no cost to me for that shipment. On a side note, I asked if I needed to be present to sign for the tickets when they were delivered. My wife's family is having their Christmas event tomorrow afternoon and I was hoping for a positive response so that I would have an excuse to skip that wonderful affair. Unfortunately, the answer was that I did not have to be present for the tickets to be left at our house. Oh, well.......it was worth a shot.

Here's something you all may enjoy: A certain individual in this one is a friend of mine who spent his first year at SMU and hated every minute of it. He got up to Denton as fast as he could.

Thread over...

Thanks Harry. Issues happen and it's great to see them working to fix it. By the way...this board is awesome. Always on top

Thanks for the support guys! Yes Marty he did!

After grabbing headlines with his performance in the Military Bowl, Rakeem Cato looks positioned to garner quite a bit of pre-season buzz heading into next season as writers look for "this year's Jordan Lynch." This would be incredible for CUSA. I think a key to growing the image of the conference is to have marketable players on a national level. Lynch is the perfect example. His and NIU's success raise the perception of the MAC above the rest of the non-AQ schools (even though those merits should be questioned now given the conference's 0-4 bowl record so far). Let's hope Cato & Marshall are in Denton in '14!

In today's Dallas Morning News all eight people (Chuck Carlton, Tim Cowlishaw, Corby Davidson, Kate Hairpoulos, Emily Jones, Bill Nichols, Kevin Sherrington and Brett Vito) picked North Texas to win straight up. Seven of the eight picked us to win against the 6.5 point spread. The only one to pick UNLV against the spread was our own Brett Vito.

Seems everyone needs to learn how to win....teams, fans and administration. Hopefully, this is the first of a long bowl run. Very few folks in the administration have ever experienced a bowl game and the fewer days between selection and games than in the past. Plus, the Mean Green fan base seems to be turning out in greater numbers than what our season experience would have indicated. Then, you add the Fed Ex fiasco.... Learning experiences all around for all concerned. Pretty darn bumpy road this time...let's hope next year brings another bowl and that the learning curve for everyone is not a steep one. Winning brings new challenges...at least they are associated with increased demand and increased support. The ticketing process seems to have broken down a good bit, but also seems folks are doing what they can to try to alleviate the situation. Looks like "all hands on deck" at the ticket office. Hopefully next year's bowl run-up for the Mean Green will go much more smoothly for all concerned. Learning to win is not easy it seems...

such edge. so masculine.

Hey guys! Long time lurker, first time poster. I think this is an awesome place for UNT football discussion. Glad I found it. What made me register and post is that I am definitely wearing green on bowl day, but what didn't make sense to me is that they made the official bowl t-shirt grey! If we were going to wear it to the game, why not make it green?!

I am attending the New Year's event at the Tower Club and would be happy to pick up your tickets for you...could meet you at the pre-game tailgate to hand them over. Just PM me with your cell and I'll get you mine as well....we can let the AD know that I am picking up for you. Would this help at all? Happy to help...goes for anyone else as well who might have problems with any of the options presented. Mean Green Nation can work this out together. Let me know GrayEagle...or anyone else needing help. I will also be in town (Denton) on the 31st and could run by the ticket office for you...if we could somehow let them know I am picking up for you...

And....#3 Ohio State takes on the power of La-Monroe and pulls out a 71-31 win! And...#19 North Carolina "escapes" Northern Ky 75-60. I guess these guys are just trying to pad their RPI's by taking on these powerhouse teams? I'll bet all their fans stayed away from these marquee games so they could support the players. Edit: Oh, I forgot the :-) at the end. That makes it just a joke and everyone should just see it as funny, right? HeHe!

Well here's my question. Who is the head of the URCM and who directs this person/committee to make "additions" to the official word mark? FFR and I used to have to deal with some knucklehead with the University who kept telling us, and the athletic department, that we couldn't produce the battle flag because it was ILLEGAL to reproduce the Texas flag in any other color scheme but red, white, and blue. Rick finally (through lots of diligence and phone time) got an official opinion from one of the University attorneys that it WAS NOT illegal to do so. He presented this, in writing, to another knuckleheaded University bureaucrat when we were having a meeting with athletic department officials and the KH (once again) tried to say that the flag in question was "illegal". You can win the fight, it just takes a lot of......persistence. I choose to go the "come and take it" route. I have had some battle flags made with the NT-star in the place of the single star. To me this makes it more of a NT flag than just the color scheme. If any (aforementioned) knuckleheaded official tries to prevent me from flying it at a tailgating event, I will turn it into a public event...that hopefully will get some media coverage.

No. 20 San Diego State demolishes St. Katherine College by 83 http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400505535

Thanks, Harry. Your efforts to provide as much info surrounding this game is incredibly helpful in making plans and knowing the various options available!

I like to keep up with as many of our gridiron warriors as I can so their accomplishments are never forgotten. I always thought Colt was one our our more interesting players and his family was wonderful people to have too. From barefoot skiing champion in high school to Mean Green linebacker, it's no surprise he's also an excellent bow hunter and had a good bow season this year. Nice job Colt. Rick

Someone who shouldn't be managing the ticket office on 01/02/14. But that will never happen.

One does not have to travel to the actual location of a game to consume it, although CMJ has done that before in Hot Springs, and I believe another west coast tourney location. Food, cannot be piped through the airwaves or series of tiny tubes called the internets. This is a fan that probably keeps up with the team more than most that live in the area and attend games. His opinion is credible. I agree that constantly bemoaning the sad fact that we aren't making much progress doesn't do much good here. I have only attended half the games to this point. Unfortunately, one of those was the SFA game. There was a time when I wouldn't have missed one. It isn't fun. But, my money for season tickets is still green, and they still took it. I am of the mind that if you don't have anything good to say, don't say it at all. And it's what I practice, both in reference to the program/team and to others on this board. But, I don't know if that necessarily works as a good business model to run a website on, or even a way to stay connected and invested in a program/team. If I didn't care at all, it would be very difficult for me to notice if things have turned around. It's amazing to me that although some here may complain about the current state, they keep donating and checking in and coming back for more, when they know they are only going to get hamburgers with doo doo as the meat served up by some very good waiters who are hopefully getting more than their share of the profits and tips.

Commits to Texas Tech

Ha! Not so fast there fella!

I'm surprised no one else caught it - too bad, would have loved to have caught some for the in-laws.

That will be something to see and hear. Hope it's true. Rick

I called today and was told that the reason the tickets were not mailed out on Friday was that the UNT post office was closed last Friday. Who exactly manages the ticket office? This isn't rocket science.

See the ;-) at the end? That means I'm pulling your chain, and quite successfully, might I add. ;-). ;-). ;-). ;-).

I think this clearly proves he was the problem last year.

I love it when the puffed up so called X&O guy reads every post on a uni thread and then contributes to it... marketing to your target audience, branding your institution & recruiting young people are all part of the equation.... good design is good business