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This hits the nail on the head. He potentially was the best player ever at NT but didn't live up to that potential in my opinion. If he did, he would have dominated the Sunbelt.

And keeping those players really made a difference last year.. Complete and utter failure...

It was a great turnout. Had a blast. Met some new people. Saw Abner Haynes. Won an auction item. Lot's of families and students. Was good to see. Enjoyed watching the players. Don't be so down on our boys. GMG!!!

Benford'd?

If you are a bastard, you and your next 10 generations can't go to heaven. It is in the bible. Look it up. Just plain silly. Religion is a joke, all of them.

Wow. That's not pretty. Kram, I understand your position, and I kinda admire it sometimes, but if you don't think the outcome of this past season will not have a negative effect on attendance, you're crazy. And it really doesn't matter what most of those lost seats think of Benford, it's the results. People here on GMG.com can nit-pick between the coach or the players, or both, and maybe, maybe some folks on here will bail. But the majority of the lost seats are going to belong to last year's "Curious George" fans, who bought tickets because they heard we were supposed to be really good. Those fans, who are probably more than you care to admit, are the ones who are as good as gone. Not people on a die-hard message board.

My photo editing skills are about as sad as the man himself... Sad Josh Hamilton Tumblr

A special thanks again to Kram. Thank u very much for doing this Apologies to my green team. My knee swelled up pretty good after the 5K run. You all know I'm like The Brandon Walton of touch football

That's was a lot of fun even though we didn't pull out the win. Good times! See you at next years game.

Well, so much for hopes for this season if DT starts. Sounds like same old DT.

Nice of him to start early. Would be nice to go into fall camp with him firmly holding down the #2 spot. DT that is.

I had fun guys. I hope to see some of y'all at the tailgates. Phuc

White team wins. Emmitt finally gets a W

I like that the new board will bring in revenue for the Athletic department. That was a pretty wise move! I am wondering how it only cost 1.2 mil and the practice facility (one court) cost 3 mil. I winder what else is in the facility and now I am curious how big the hanging board will actually be. I reallyhope it does not let down.

How many people died during the mass stabbing?

It is mainly in men's football and men's basketball where you see this "challenge". Many of the Olympic sports former players do give and many who did not have scholarships. Parents of players are another low percentage group of givers. But, this is changing at UNT and for the positive. I really appreciate all the former players who now get involved with the GMG.com flag football game as donors and the GMG.com basketball game as well. As a volunteer rep for the Mean Green Club I see signs of positive progress on this front as well. The athletic department and coaching staffs are reaching out to our former players, and that is definitely helping. One has only to take off their "everything is wrong with UNT blinders" to actually see the progress. Want to see some of these guys and some progress in person? Come to today's GMG.com flag Football game and stay for the Spring Game!

Exactly. Why do you think Ndamukong Suh's donation was such a big deal at Nebraska? Yes, 4 million was one reason, but also because giving is the exception, not the rule. Golfers seem good about giving back though. Fred Couples has given to Houston's golf program. When Payne Stewart was alive, he bought knickers for the SMU golf team.

Bandwagon fans are fans who inly support winning teams. Our football team hasn't won in 8 years, so they don't have any bandwagon fans. Our basketball team was just getting good and starting to get maybe a few bandwagon fans from the Denton area. Then in one coaching hire it has been pretty much demolished. Anyone who goes to more than 2 basketball games next year should be considered a hard core fan.

Darn, when I saw the title of this thread I thought it was going to be about some of our basketball experts and how they got to be so all-knowing. Man, am I ever disappointed.

Sounds like more love and respect going on.

Gl2Greatness said, ".they beat UH on the road for their first game at the D1-A level....." And UNT beat PAC10 member Oregon State our first year back in D1A. Not on the road, and probably a weak Oregon State back in 1995, but they were still Pac 10 member, regardless.

My point is that by and large the people on this board are not the bandwagon fans with which we should be concerned. Furthermore, I don't think that support and criticism are mutually exclusive concepts. I tend to believe that it is not only acceptable but necessary that true fans vigorously assert their opinions when they see the Mean Green bus being driven off the cliff.

Will be there with 52 oz of concealed beverage...

From what I understand most schools have a hard time getting ex-athletes to give. We're not unique in that respect.

http://www.news-daily.com/news/2013/apr/05/clayton-state-nearing-end-coaching-search/

Enter before 9:30am on the student side ... Gates 2and 4 I am told for registration. Make your way down to the field. We will be set up on the visitors side.

Admittedly, a little harsh on my part regarding 'chip on the shoulder' comment. Probably a poor choice of words. Many times players that have been used to being 'the man' is not ready for the alternative. I don't know if that is the issue with PJ, but the number of locations in his past made me pause. Just like a job hopper. Without the whole story, I tend to assume the most likely reason. I wish him the best of luck and hope he finds a starting position somewhere or whatever he is looking for.

How do you know that about Mitchell's potential millions? Word is that Tony very much enjoyed being a student at UNT. But, you are correct about our ex-athletes and the general giving pattern.....in the past that is...like a lot of things at UNT these days that is changing for the better as the AD and coaches reach out to ex-players.

I don't think anyone who survived this basketball season (and 8 years of losing football) and is still on here discussing the Mean Green qualifies as a bandwagon fan.

Players, recruits, assistant coaches, and most alumni are fleeing like it's the evacuation of Saigon. Remind me again what it is that we're doing to solve this problem.

You guys playing Bacon State 6 times before the season starts?

The Titanic was a nice ship, but when it went down you had better be one of the people that got on a lifeboat. We are the Titanic.

Can Benford be his assistant, he is a great assistant?

It isn't a bit. I like Mitchell, he has a ton of potential. I do think he will get drafted on that potential, probably in the 2nd round. I do not think he will ever play any meaningful minutes in an NBA game. To play in the NBA you need be a great shooter or player than can score one-on-one, which he is neither, or be a tenacious defender and rebounder of which he could be except he doesn't hustle and sulks and complains to the refs. So he isn't a guy that can score, and he isn't a hustle guy, so what is he? He is a less talented Brendan Wright that doesn't hustle as much, but can hit an occassional three. I hope he can be the guy that dominated the LeBron Camp, but I am skeptical.

My dad is coming in from out of town. He will be cooking some brisket , burgers & sausage after our game in the parking lot. We should have plenty of food so I invite anyone over for some grub

Your addiction to this website rivals your football team's additction to drugs.

Regardless of who starts, you guys are still one of the sorriest teams in the country.

MeanGreenTexan, Thanks for the detail. As I read the Bible I find a concept of a God who wasn't very likeable. The demand for animal sacrifice? Sheesh! The demand for genocide? Sickening. The stoning of adulterers? If your god exists he isn't worthy of worship.

Completely agree Travis! Seems pretty hypocritical to accuse a university of giving up on a team and then in turn doing the same yourself believing it will somehow fix anything...

As many have said before, we cannot afford to NOT get rid of this guy. My crystal ball sees only a couple of hundred fans in the stands after the fourth or fifth game next year. Gotta cut off the leg before the infection spreads elsewhere.

Unfortunately this is all on RV and UNT administration above RV probably. This is just a message board I know, but at the beginning of the season most of the wise UNT basketball faithful posted we'd have our worst season in years and our program would be set back at least 10 to 30 plus years if coach Benford wasn't fired after UAH game!!! RV didn't have the guts so were just along for the ride. Only question is will our program be set back as many as 3 decades, or just 1 decade. I pray it's on 10 years...time will tell. Come on Andrew close your go ahead defend Benford!!!

True. Many folks outside of North Texas think that a team which OUR athetic department touted as "the most talented ever" stumbling to a 12-20 finish and a blow out first round exit in the SBC tournament wasa sign of great things to come. No, really, they do. Don't let a few of us convince you otherwise.

My point was it could have been worse... Would you have wanted to lose all 3 of those players and not have TJ Taylor this year just to avoid one bad season? The negatives for that comment just show tue stupidity that occurs on these boards. Maybe these players should leave because it is obvious our fans do not deserve them.

There's no need to play the race card.

This is a little bit frustrating because he was my backup plan if Benford did not pullit off this year... This is troublesome. I have no concern over lossing PJ or Clarke. This news on the other hand could change a lot of things going forward. Lundy was always working with Jordan on his shot and the main reason he got so hot this year. I really hope he stays in case this year goes down hill. Benford was able to keep the team together and I think Lundy would be the only other one who could do this going forward if Benford does not work out. (granted most p,ayers would be seniors in 2014 so it would be unwise for them to leave).

When he has been healthy he has not been good. Vito commented on him throwing a terrible interception in scrimmage the other day. The fact that he has not even passed McNulty, much less DT, in Speing practice is very bad for this program. But bury that head deeper if you want.

The problem with humans is they look at God and try to understand him from a human perspective. What reason is there for suffering of any kind, for example? If you believe the Bible, then you know that no creation of God was made an automaton. You either choose to love and obey God or you do not. The same latitude was given one of God's other creations, angels. The angel Lucifer challenged God, and convinced a third of the angels in Heaven to do so as well. A war was fought until Lucifer and his angels were thrown out of heaven, down to earth. God later put mankind on the earth as well. From there, there are several beliefs about why God chose to do so. Some believe he did it to show Lucifer and his angels that he could create a race of beings with less power than angels who would love and obey him. The experiment went awry when Lucifer tricked the humans into having the same type of jealous feelings he had for God's power and knowledge. God had the choice to destroy and start over, or to let man live on in the fallen state - basically, always looking at the affairs of others and being jealous, which leads to all kinds of strife: murder, adultry, thievery, deceit - all of which continue today. You have only a few instances of God becoming so put off with man that he causes mass destruction - the Flood and Sodom and Gomorrah. Those who doubt God simply because bad things happen to people would never subscribe to the war in Heaven slant (which...is Biblical). There are even some who claim to believe in God, yet discount so much of the Bible to where church is nothing more than a country club/comfort thing for them. It is easy to reconcile pain and suffering in the context of God as a being in Heaven who is in spiritual warfare with Lucifer and his angles here on earth. We are said to be made in God's image, to be somewhat in nature like him. So, if someone - or, whole countries of someones - are not doing as God directs, it is easy to believe he would allow suffering. The most miserable places in the world are those who deny God or persecute his followers. Disease, depression, and other such illnesses are more often found among people who reject God and embrace some other path. There is a reason, for example, one man/one woman monogamous marriages are not the genesis of sexual transmitted diseases or AIDS. They live according to God's word. Others openly flaunt God's teachings and reap diseases. It's a choice that God allows them to make. After all, he allowed Lucifer and other angels he created to have freewill as well. Some use their freewill for good, others for evil. The vexing question for those who can't stand the notion that God would allow anything bad to happen is, why wouldn't he stop it? Why not do something to end it? The answer is, what...you mean like follow his word? If everyone were following his word, you wouldn't have all of the strife, jealousy, and pain. But, there is as much pride in mankind as there is in Lucifer. At one point, God even sent his own son in human form and he was rejected. This Jesus healed the sick, made the blind see, the deaf hear, the lame walk, brought some back from the dead. etc. He sometimes associated with sinners in an effort to show them a better path in life. Jesus held no political convictions and made no attempt at rebellions against either the local government (the Sanhedrin), the state/region (Herod Antipas), or Rome (Cesar Augustus/The Empire). He asked only that the Jews return to God. He asked that the Jewish leaders end their hypocritical actions toward their own people. He asked them to revere God in the Temple by ending the human commerce there. For simply asking God's chosen people to return to God, and healing and helping others, he was sentenced to death. This is how people on earth ultimately treated God among us. Because Jesus would not yield to the human views and traditions, he was rejected. And, being of God himself, God was rejected as well. Many still hypocricitally say they would believe if, say, Jesus were to return and perfor the same miracles. That is highly doubtful. Jesus often said, "Go and sin no more" to those he helped. That is too much of a command for the majority of mankind. God has been here in human form and was rejected. Mankind must have its own way, the final say. They have already proved that to God. They proved it at the Garden of Eden, and it continues today. So, what special break, then, would God give mankind? Just one: believe in Him and his Son and do His will and you will live with him someday. Pretty simple stuff. And, yet, few people - even those who profess to be Christians - actually do so. Therefore, there is - and will be - suffering. And, moreso, for those openly rejecting him. Have a nice day.

Bold satement considering Benford likely cost Tony million$.