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I played a lot of NBA JAM Tournament Edition. And I never subbed Shawn Kemp or Gary Peyton out. I'm waiting for RV's call. I wish I could plus 1 myself.

Where are the chalk outlines in the parking lot?

Tony Benford would have subbed him out long before this was possible.

TOLD YOU!!! HE'S BENFORD!!! SKIVER IS BENFORD!!!

I love NT fans. The university puts $80M into a new stadium, no telling how much into an athletic complex, hires actual Division I coaching staffs, & moves up from a basement-level conference to a respectable mid-level cUSA and still we indulge ourselves with whining and weeping. Our university is progressing just fine. Our athletics will be just fine. Neither is asleep, neither is moribund, we just have a few fans who are incapable of seeing a glass as half-full. Nor can they see the pitcher poised to fill that glass to over-flowing.

The only living unicorns until they sacrifice them during the inaugural game in the new stadium in an act of appeasement for the angry gods of football which will secure an undefeated record until the end of time and then, when ten decades of winning has come to pass, capacity will be increased to 20 million so that the entire greater Houston area (taking into account population increase) can attend the game (as mandated by the Czar of the Country of Houston) and they will watch on a screen ten times as wide and three times as tall as that found in the Dark Stadium of the North and all the world will bear witness to the glory that is the greatest football school in the history of the universe as we knew it (before we found other universes which is obviously a whole other story entirely). But they still won't have a Big XII invite.

Oh the pageantry.

I sprained my ankle trying to kick the dog after this loss. Luckily for Grizzly... Benford was there to sub in 3 new dog owners. Benford'd

New chant for the student section. On second thought, it's a little bulky as a chant, we might as well just adopt it as the university motto: UNT: We NEVER miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

It really irritates me that we will never go to a look like this. This is quite possibly the best uniform concept I have seen so far. Why the AD believes that having the letters "NORTH TEXAS" spelled out on the helmet would give us more brand recognition than "NT", just absolutely boggles my mind. Who looks at the helmet to figure out what team is playing? Its displayed on the screen for the entire duration of the game for christ's sake. Usually next to a number that is lower than the other team's number. I also don't understand what the big deal is about having black on the uniform... "But, its not a school color?!!!" Who cares? It looks badass.

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Everybody is a proponent of the invisible hand of the free market until it comes to college football.

By the old standards, yes. This year was not supposed to be "solid" by the old UNT standards. It was supposed to be a year that established us as a regional power. To have absolutely no hope of winning against St. Louis and Lehigh is not what any of us anticipated coming into this thing.

Any program relegated to tier 2 would be a second class program and it would be the about the end of football at NT and many other schools. Any one around during NT 1aa days, should know that being a bad fb schools is superior to a great fc school. NT and many other schools are not channeling what resources they have to be designed division 2 or whatever they may call it. However, I would expect a heck of a legal fight if the ""bigs" try this. I also doubt Sabin has a lot of support for his ideas from other programs, I think most coaches enjoy playing lesser teams with huge advantages and usually at home. The problem with segmenting the top programs, is that half of them will become losers and then what happens in the next reorganization. You end up with the NFL but without the controls that some what encourage competition.

I'm all for having "tradition" and not changing unis every year. I love the PSU, UT, etc jerseys. But we are not those schools and out our unis have not been the same for more then 4 yrs at at time. That being said I won't say our current unis are the worst out there bc there are some god awful ones out there, but they are probably the most boring unis in NCAA...and not in a good way.

BS If Nick Saban were a coach at one of the lesser members of the FBS do you think that he would still advocate superconferences? This is all about the rich getting richer and the poor getting the hell out. You set a criteria for the Division 1A folks and then follow it. At one time to be a member you had to have a stadium of 30,000 and 17,000 average attendance. They didn't enforce it. Not only did they not enforce that they weakened the requirements. You could have a stadium of less that 30,000 if half of your conference met the requirements. Then they weakened the attendance factor to 15,000 once every two years. They haven't enforced those either. If they had sixty big schools then the winners would castigate the losers for not being competitive enough or having enough attendance and want a larger share. Greed has no place in college sports. My personal preference would be to have eight conferences with 12-16 teams in each conference. Set the requirements for the 96th most qualified based on some combination of stadium size, market size, attendance, revenue, and years of service in the highest division and enforce it. If any university falls below the minimum requirements for three consecutive years then they drop to the next level. At least everyone would know where they stand. I know, file this under 'it makes too much sense to ever happen' category but something needs to be done to curtail the greed.

Not the start that anyone wanted, but the team is not nearly as bad as many portray. Losing to Creighton and Virginia away is something most teams would do. Sans the AH game the season is about were most thought. Now many think that no one can play, Benford is out of his depth, and NT will be lucky to go .500 in the Belt. Way to early to come to any of those conclusions. NT is definitely not the top 50 team at this point that I and many others hoped for, but neither are they no better than a .500 Belt club. Benford like JJ has not found a way to utilize TM efficiently. Many may have forgot that even Belt teams fairly well neutralized him late in the season last year. Coleman was supposed to take the pressure off and allow him to play the four and for whatever reason that has not happened. Likewise, NT bad outside shooting is allowing teams to smother Tony in the post. Jones and J. Williams are great athletes by NT standards and they have been only occasionally effective and seldom in the same game. When those gel, I think it is not a question of will but when; NT is going to be very good. Franklin and Alzee are always dependable, and Holmen is Holmen. When Patton gets completely well he will add another big weapon. JJ's teams' seldom played well till the Belt tournament, I hope for more out of Benford and this team. This team has too much talent to give up on after six games.

I think to the hard core fan, though everybody would prefer the top tier, a playoff at the second tier would ok. However, I think as for as getting new fans interested, it would be perceived by them that we are irrevelant in college football and make it even more difficult to grow the program because we are in tier 2. Also, if we don't start consistently winning soon anyway, it won't make any difference ,, the avg fan won't be around.

This season is clearly over already. Please someone start the returning players and newcomers we have for 2013... i'll handle researching Benford's resume to ensure he really did get a degree where he said he did.... We've had one freakin home game (no conference games).. lets tap the breaks on how this season pans out. I can't wait till next Wednesday when we get in the flow of having games and enjoying the confines of the Super Pit and more importantly the "pops" in the Mean Green room beforehand.

I don't get how some people can't understand that it's not the fact that we lost these games, but the way we lost them. I knew the "great second half" post was coming. Here is a dirty little secret. When a team knows they can beat your a$$ and are up 20 at the half, they often take their foot off the gas, knowing that they can always get it going again and widen the lead, if needed. This is exactly what happended in the second half. We couldn't shoot last year and can't shoot this year. JW and AW were a about a combined 8-26 from the field, meanwhile, your NBA lottery pick is only able to take 7 shots from the field because he has 3 players collapsing on him every time he touches the ball. The other team does this daring any of your other players to make a shot. They can't make these shots consistently. This team is shooting .408 from the field. Barely 40%. That is with a Cameron on the schedule. Virginia shot 59% from the field, 73% from 3 point range, so you didn't play defense either. You normally would say that the bright spot was rebounding, where UNT held a 34-28 rebounding advantage. But, when the other team is hammering home almost 60% of their shots, it doesn't leave a lot of clean up on the boards (hence UNT having 21 offensive boards, yet only 13 defensive boards... see what happenes when you can't shoot?). Virginia only had 9 offensive boards, but, then again, they really didn't have to do too much offensive rebounding. Meanwhile, we were struggling to shoot 36% from the field, including a typically bad 15% from 3 point range. I hope your right and this thing gets on track for 20 wins, but I just don't see it happening to the point of a 20 win season. Jordan Williams takes too many shots and will ALWAYS take the bad shot at a bad time (see when we had the lead cut to 9 and he chunks a 3 on the first touch on the offensive end). The more concerning aspect is defense and rebounding. When you have comparably talented teams, this is all about heart, hustle, and desire. We were outrebounded by a freaking D2 school and allowed them to score 79 on us. That tells you everything you need to know. We have played over 1/5 of the schedule. That is a fairly decent sample size. I think we end up like last year. Close to .500 in conference and somewhere between 14-16 wins before the conference tournament. So disappointing.

I really like these uniforms and I think most people would they would go over really well with most fans. I find it funny that some here complain about changing uniforms every two years. We now have NCAA teams changing uniforms every two games. Tradition isn't as big as it once was. I love the interlocking NT but I think I'd like the SOW a little better. I'd gladly take either over having North Texas spelled out on the helmets. Getting back to reality, I would be surprised to have new uniforms next year or anytime soon. I think the current old style uniforms will be the main stay while Mac is here. I think they're solid but the shade of green needs to be tweaked. I also don't expect RV to remove North Texas from the helmets while he's here unless someone really puts pressure on him to do so (administration, Mac, large booster).

"It felt like everything I tossed up was going in." Dude, you missed 56 shots!! FIFTY-SIX!!!!

Why was he still jacking 3 up 50?

Wow. Is that really all you expected, or are you trying to justify an anti JJ stance? You know, that would be really stupid, SINCE WE DIDN'T FIRE THE GUY, HE LEFT! Same goes for all those bashing Benford because he isn't JJ. Just stop the f'n madness, will you? It's just stupid. If your expectations were to lose to a middle of the road (at best) ACC team by 20, lose to Creighton by 20, and lose to a Division 2 team in the first 6 games before this thing kicked off, I would suggest you stop following UNT athletics, because you have become way too bitter and negative.

NCAA Tournament Noticed Texas Tech took #1 seed Florida State to double OT but lost 3-2. Baylor, who the NT women tied this year and is now ranked #10 nationally lost to powerhouse North Carolina in PK's (sweet 16). Tells me that our young NT team not only had a great year but is right there of doing something really special next year.

This thread sucks. We need the opinion's of about 5 new posters to liven things up in here. Benford'd

So that explains our poor 3pt defense!

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19919801/blessid-union-of-souls-at-the-newton-theater CBL

Source? We had the same unis for all 4 years of the Dodge era.

Here's the way it works in Mean Green land: 1)Get a decent player (either by transfer or recruiting) Then 2)Have NCAA rule said player ineligible Or 3)Watch said player fail in class Or 4)Have said player get a freak injury

I love the black ones.

Great opportunity to defeat an ACC team on the road and to show continued improvement.

The beardless drummer from ZZ Top?

Hey genius... What is your coaching resume? Just curious since you seem to know everything.

UVA 80 NT 64 Final

UVA 73 NT 56 3:53 to go Stick a fork in us. Well, it was a nice three game streak while it lasted.

40-19 At least it's not televised.

The only call it class warfare when we fight back.

I think that the reality is that we have never given the local media and fanbase any reason to want to come watch us play with any regularity. We always get smoked by the big OOC names by anywhere between 2 TDS and 10 TDs since we have moved up to 1-A. Heck, even when we play a regional team that the old SWC media cares about, we usually get beat badly, too. I've posted it before, but a friend of mine who covers sports in the DFW area has always said this about UNT. To gain attention, they have to do two things; Beat a huge AQ team AND then win their conference. We have beaten Tech and Boise State in the same season that we went 2-9. We have gone 9-4 and won the SBC, with those losses to OU, Arkansas, Air Force, and Memphis. We have never done both. I can't imagine what it would be like here if we were to beat a big OOC name and then win our conference. I really believe that our best chance to do both is when we play at Iowa in a few years, assuming that Iowa gets back to being good again and we can actually take the next steps upward toward being good. Scheduling games at those SEC and Big XII powers in the first game of the year will continue to kill any momentum we can possibly build. When I see OOC games to start the year at Texas, OU, LSU, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee, I don't see any way we can expect anything to get better. Maybe McCarney and staff will fool me, but I will remain skeptical that this program can beat any of those teams early in a season, which always leads to the inevitable dropoff once conference season begins.

No. It was Lamar, Cameron, and IUPUI.

George Marshall (6'2") dropped too many balls but he was one of the best run blocking wr's I have ever seen and he did make his fair share of big catches. The Miracle in the Desert game being a prime example.

Don't go to the SMU game. It will be awkward being the only fan in the gym.

Who cares? Let's show off Apogee to some possible recruits

I saw a video online last week of a speech. The guy was a motivational speaker (I WAS SO AMPED), talking about how life can seem like such a freaking mess. Maybe everything is a disaster, but you might closer than you think to righting the ship. He brought up golf: you can swing and hit the ball with perfect form, but if you are a millimeter off on contact that ball can miss the mark by hundreds of yards. I really hope this program turns it around, and I don't know if Mac is the guy that will get it done. But I love this staff, the way they sell the program. Maybe if we can just get a handful of guys at key positions that are even marginally (a millimeter) better performers than what we have, and make a few tweaks in the game planning (which is easier when you have more options to work with)....well, it could be the difference between a 4 win season and a 9 win season.

It is obvious that he is in an awful shooting slump, but how do you determine that the game is moving too fast for him. I certainly can't come to that conclusion based on the times I have seen him play. Maybe you have went to the away games and have a better view at this point, but based on what I have seen sans the last game, you could say that most of the team has played poor defense. Based on my admittedly small sample of home appearances, Overlander actually moves better than I anticipated. In the Cameron game you cited, his shoots were on target but just were not falling and I didn't notice any big defensive deficities. I can't even fault Benford for playing him, when else but these early games can he evaluate players in a game atmosphere. He certainly didn't significantly bring down the level of play in either of the first two games and Cameron was a glorified exhibition. As I assumed in an earlier post and the last game tended to verify it, unless it is a blow out or NT runs out of players, Overlander is not going to get a lot of playing time till he starts making his shoots. As you stated he could develop into a good player and IMO it could be this year. A very rocky start, but some of the posts, not yours, are outrageous. The only issue I have with the above, is I wonder how you can be confident that the game is too fast for him unless you have seen a lot more than I have.

You do realize that the acronym the athletic department uses is "NT" And not UNT, right? That makes their refusal to get rid of North Texas on the helmets even more baffling. If I were RV and Mac said he didn't like the uniforms I would tell him his job is to win football games and to deal with it. Mac's refusal to do anything interesting with our uniforms is baffling as well. More than just "big time" programs do interesting stuff with uniforms.

Should be very interesting. Both teams have an identical record. We have common opponent too: Lamar. UNT and Virginia beat Lamar in similar fashion. Virginia 63 Lamar 44. UNT 74 Lamar 59. Should be a great game! A win over the ACC might help a little with that nasty, sour taste I still have with the ugly loss against that stinken team I won't mention.

Because we're 3-0 with this one....

There is one major flaw in the original post, no one In Texas thinks any school is a girls volleyball school.

Two questions, how much does Bob Wager want and does his DC run man coverage?