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Back to Reading 101 for me! The Tuesday night game is Not TSU, I knew that, my bad! I can admit my mistakes, how about you for once. Concerning the Opening game promotion, can't answer that one. If you're concerned and really want an answer, drop a line to the Development folks. I don't need a promotion but I understand the importance of getting people into Apogee for the TSU game especially when you have so much disinformation floating around from certain INDIVIDUALS. I really appreciate you trying to twist the facts, some won't ever change their spots. I'll attempt to clarify my response since I've confused you. Basketball Closed Practice invite happened last year, no matter how much you want that to not be the case. They weren't able to work out the Football Practice with Coach Mac twelve months ago. Twelve months later, done deal for Football and I suspect they will have round two for Basketball this year. That would be two invites to closed practices in one GMC membership year as opposed to only one (Men's Basketball) last year. I'll be attending the closed Football practice this year on the 24th. Twelve months from now, I'm sure you'll say it didn't happen. I think I'll keep my invite just in case. GMG!

2001 - 2008 was a wild ride. You came in after some serious hit-and-miss stuff.

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This is exactly the point. Most long-term weather studies show us way warmer than we are now in the past 4000 years, and without human intervention have seen MAJOR sudden drops in temps (1300 A.D is estimated to be considerably hotter than we are now, and within 100 years, they were in the midst of a minor "ice age".) Recent Highs have been in 1991 and 1998, and the trend since 98 has been a downward trend, yet CO2 production continues to be linear. Not only is correlation not equal to causation, we don't really even have correlation when you look at all the evidence. Current consensus is that the current cooling trend may well last through the 2010's, and is predicted to see us under the "57* Normal" mark for several years, with another 1998 beating peak in the 30's. Time will tell, but CO2 emissions still continue to be linear while the temp swings all over the map...

Usually scientific conclusions demand evidence. And, as they say, correlation does not imply causation. My skepticism has little to do with economics or ideology. But it does have to do with lack of data that prove global warming is tied to manmade causes. But you go ahead and cling to your elitist attitude if it makes you feel better.

Emmitt...no problem. I'll be more than happy to give you an answer to your question...in private and IN person...just you and me. Just let me know when you have time for a beer sometime. I never question the credentials of those who want better...I often, however, question the manner in which they go about expressing their "want for better". There is a time and a place for everything and there is a way to get folks "on your side" and a way to "not".....harshly criticizing every move made on a public forum is NOT the way to get a warm reception...anywhere! There is a way to be seen as part of the solution and a way to be seen by all as part of the problem. Everyone gets to pick...each way has it's rewards and consequences. Simple fact of life in every walk of life and in every relationship. Everyone is free to choose the way they want to go...they just need to understand the consequences of their actions. Anyway...beer time...just let me know. And, indeed...I have absolutely ZERO problem with your question. It's a fair one.....

It's a miracle!

Kram, you know I love you...so this is said in love. Whilst questioning the credentials of those who want better time and time again have you eve pondered THIS question? What's the explanation for the piss poor reception that those who DO give faithfully of their time and money receive? Where's the indignation on behalf of those who set up friends and acquaintances to give and ask only that an AD staffer give them a call...only to see them too given the brush off? The times of the emperor and his men sitting comfortably in that castle, all the while free to call any/all dissenters "malcontents" should be long over.

I was frustrated as anybody with our non-conf record during those years but win 5 conference games in a row, hell win 5 conf games in a season, much less 25 in a row and then we'll talk. Besides 94, those are the only winning seasons I've experienced in close to 20 years as a Mean Green fan. Pardon me if I hold them close to my heart.

We need a documented history of logos similar to the Helmet Project's history of helmets. Maybe I'll take that as a research project.

I can see both sides of this argument because I get that Emmitt is wary that we may fall back into our "old ways" of settling for good enough. Having been here since 1995 however, the thing that amazed me the most from this past 12 years was the fact that after the stadium was built, we almost immediately sold out the luxury boxes and a huge portion of the box seats for 3K a pop. That was a shocker to me after realizing that for all this time we've had people willing and ready to put down that sort of money once Apogee was built. Maybe even more impressive was inking the naming rights for Apogee. Are you kidding me? We just had to build a new stadium and we had people willing to throw 20 friggin million dollars at us? wow. just wow. Again- I'm just coming from a layperson's point of view, but someone who - like our friend Mr. FFRick, sat in crowds of literally 400 fans at a game and thought: This is it! We're doomed. We should drop football, this is just embarrassing. I could not have been more certain that football would NEVER make it at North Texas. It just makes CUSA, baseball!?!?! all of this the more crazy to realize it is happening.

I'm not concerned about being ranked. First and foremost we need to win the Sun Belt, get to the NCAA tourney, and win the first game. If we get ranked along the way, awesome, but if its not 1st at the end of the season I don't care.

Though I like SOW and hope it remains forever to represent North Texas, we should probably make sure it sticks for at least a decade before we immortalize it in concreate. Until then, I'll take the artist's eagle over a blank wall. I love the idea of text on the bridge itself.

Easy there, champ. He was simply making light of the fact there were more abbreviations in your one, ten word sentence than an adolescent girl uses in a text. There's bound to be plenty of other items of (kinda) merit to get all hopped up and defensive about. Save your ire for something of slightly more importance than a poster having some fun with the English language.

Scepticism (and by 'scepticism' I mean skepticism) is healthy. It should, however, be informed by some knowledge of the subject. The vast majority of climate scientists - the people with knowledge - believe that climate change is occurring, that it is in large part due to man's activity, and that it will have a huge impact on the well-being of our children & grandchildren. Man has released massive amounts of CO2. CO2 is a well-documented green-house gas. The earth's mean temperature has shown a strong correlation with atmospheric CO2 levels. You may believe that climate change isn't happening or that it isn't due to human burning of fossil carbon. Your belief, however, isn't based on science. It's based on economics, or ideology, or some misinformation you've been exposed to.

underlying message...trust in this coaching staff's ability to evaluate high school players... and more importantly, trust in this coaching staff's ability to develop young men into very good college division 1 football players... at this point, our coaching staff has my faith...until proven otherwise. go mean green

Maybe a tad different way of thinking here...but I think the biggest victory in recent memoory had to the THE OPENING OF APOGEE STADIUM!!!! :goodjob: :thumbsu:

Disregard previous post, (If, indeed, it was posted). I am still trying to get the hang of this thing. What I meant to say was that although we did not win the game, we played the SMU reigning national champions in 1936 a very close game before losing 6-0. Although SMU had lost to Stanford in the Rose Bowl, this was back when the national champion was named before the bowl games were played. It is a least worth a mention for, after all, we were playing college football several years before SMU came into existence and in all those years only Rice and UNT, among Texas D-1 teams, have the distinction of never being punished for rules violations. Who knows what we could have accomplished if we had had the desire, or at least, the wherewithal to win at any cost.

Not a chance in hell. We'll be lucky if we're ranked in the Top 325.

If I am not mistaken, Dean Lee once worked for the Razorback Foundation (the money raising arm for the Univ. of Arkansas). He was AD at Arkansas Tech (DII) for a short time for a short time. When he left there, he was asst. AD at Okie State before landing at ASU. You think it is tough to raise money for UNT, try ASU where the Hogs have almost all of the big money guys tied up. Many grads of other Arkansas colleges will give money to UA before they give to their own schools, or they will give more to the UA. Raising money may have been part of the problem, but I would be willing to bet there is more going on than that.

done...I'll be in China but will have my Mean Green gear on...

Marlon's older and whiter brother.

If it's any sport my vote would go to: Twin brothers Elmer & Delmer Brown and Blaine & Wayne Rideout who set the world record in 1938 for the medley relay before 16,000 at the Millrose Games at Madison Square Garden. They received international acclaim.

It's been in the works for over 12 months but whatever you want to believe...

Well, goodness gracious. I received just over an hour ago an invitation to a closed football practice! Thursday, August 23rd @ 4:30.

Scout evaluated a couple more commits and bumped Ellis up to a 3* #101 OLB They also gave Harrison Sorge 2* and ranked him 80th among OG while bumping John Schilleci down from #110 CB to #131 for some reason. http://northtexas.scout.com/a.z?s=353&p=9&c=8&yr=2013

Actually Cincinnati was the conference champion that year. The biggest win I have seen was the big victory over a ranked Drake basketball team that earned the Men's Gym the nickname the Snake Pit. The place was packed as usual and I remember NT was up 18-4 before Drake got a little competitive. The crappy old gym provided a home advantage that was close to unparalleled. Most night games were sell outs and probably two thirds of the attendees were students who stood and yelled through most of the game. A fan experience that I have never seen equaled at NT or elsewhere.

But, but he still doesn't have any other offers!! But he isn't big enough!! But he's coming from a small school!

This team, in my opinion, lacks a big time impact center (and backup) to compete with the big boys. (Top 25) Additionally, there are way too many new faces to acclimate to a new coach and system; prior to preseason NIT action. Hopefully the guys will gel by conference time but victories against Belt competition will not garner national attention. As such, we will be hard pressed, like all other mid to low majors, to obtain a seed lower than 14-15, (even with 20+ wins) A more realistic and obtainable goal is to just win the Sun Belt Conference. (Something we have never done) I understand the euphoria over Tony Mitchell and his impact on UNT basketball. It shouldn't, however, be measured on how far he helps up advance in a given season. His impact, along with CUSA admission, will be felt beyond the 2012-2013 season. Let's win the Sun Belt first and see where we stand in relations to Top 25 votes/rankings or greatest team ever discussions

Good to hear. I wish those "should"s were "will"s, but I understand there are no definites in life and college football.

Im little surprised that LSU LB are not 230+ across the board

That, sir, is no handlebar mustache. That is the Fumanchu. The handlebar: And the most famous sports handlebar:

Check out Mason Y'Barbo's handlebar 'stache.

Most likely 5-6 losses tops.

This REALLY NEEDS to be done by Sept. 8. I mean REALLY!!!

So there's no promotion to fill Apogee for the opening home game of the 2012 season against Texas Southern? And the big deal is a Tuesday night game against ULL? What am I missing here?

Although it was not a win, the close game we played against SMU in 1935 when they played in the Rose Bowl for the national championship is worth a mention.

Correct.

Dunbar is having real trouble picking up blitzes. On the "Lunch Break" on Dallascowboys.com, the guys watched Dunbar's practices prior to his injury. They said he seems to be a "Sproles-like" player while carrying the ball. BUT, when the time came to pass protect and pick up blitzes, Lance really struggled. Most who saw it think the problem is his size. (5-8, 195lbs.). All so far think he will have to make the team as a kick returner or special teams ace. Not sure how he will do that if Felix Jones and Dez Bryant are the primary returners? Dunbar has quickness and he is elusive, but struggles too much in pass protection. I'm hoping LD has a stellar pre-season and makes it hard for the Boys to put him on the practice squad. Some other team would probably claim him. I want LD in Dallas. Come on Lance..get healthy and secure your spot! GMG!!!

I think if I didn't know the game of football, something written like this would confuse the hell outta me.

Armadillos in Texas came here from northern Mexico ... hey there's something familiar about that.

Wow, I had not idea we have won the national championship in golf 4 years in a row and finished runner-up 3 other times. As a UNT fan, I feel ashamed for knowing that. http://www.ncaa.com/history/golf-men/d1

He' too short and my Franklin is all wrinkled.

You sound very sure of yourself you must study this extensively. Is that your line of work? As to the article, I am not basing any climate argument on it. Just there for the reading.

Please don't give that as a choice.

My experience in retail says this leaves a lot of room for interpretation, i.e. it does not say/list what sports are subject for invite. It's a crappy way of suckering people in, counting on the reader to assume it's all-inclusive because it does not list specifics. If I'm on the fence about donating $1,000, and a football invitation is going to make or break the decision, I sure as hell would ask them on the phone to be sure. I agree, though, if football is not part of the "promised" invitations then the flyer should make that clear.

Here is a piece on his AAU team , MeanStreets : http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lSWx3alt_7A

Not going to rank team based on how good I think they are, but I will based on predicted minutes. 1. Mitchell - Best player in conference by large margin 2. A. Williams - Best all around player on team last year 3. Jones - Was all conference caliber last year and may have just scratched the surface 4. Patton - Fast jumper that can play defense 5. Taylor - Should be NT's best outside threat 6. J. Williams - Second best athlete on team 7. Holmen - More effort on defense and rebounding could get him a starting spot 8. Coleman - Big 9. Niko - Finesse player that needs to play tougher 10. Hardwick - Would be the recruit everyone is talking about in a normal NT year 11. Walton - Tough and got his shoot going late in year 12. Franklin - Good inside game but small 13. Outlander - Too early to play much 14. Norris - OK player but plays at a loaded position Mitchell will get all the time he wants and fouls allow. Alzee will get time at both guard spots. My guess is that good defenders will get more time than shooters. There are just so many players on this team that could have big upswings in ability. Patton is an unknown but I think he could be the best defender among the bigs with the always exclusion of MItchell. Coleman is raw and may not see as much time as many predict. Taylor has proven to be a great hs and juco players but does that translate on a loaded team. Holmen was the best player on the team in the Belt tournament, can that continue? Does Jordan's talent blow everyone away. Jones was all conference quality last year despite some poor shooting. Walton was a very good all around player by last season end. Niko seemed to stay in JJ's doghouse but was not afraid to drive to the basket and provided a spark of offense among the bigs. On paper, the second team would beat most historical NT squads. I can see the whole starting lineup being all conference material, with Mitchell and Jones first team. .