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There were about 30 attendees. I think this was the smallest group since I've been attending (8 years, I think since DD had the first Football 101). Last year Hank Dickinson wanted to know why I hadn't graduated yet! LOL.. Needed more advertisement. I got an email since I am a MG club member and attended before. I never saw anything about it on meangreensports.com like I have in the past. We had a great time and I urge all of the ladies to go next year. You don't have to do any of the physical stuff if you don't want to. I' ll keep going as long as they have it. Guess I'm a career student! GMG!

A good friend of mine works at Mozart and talks to Tony pretty frequently. The other day he saw Tony in the dorm and said he liked his shirt. Tony took the shirt off his back and gave it to him. My friend sent me a picture of the shirt and it was a Nike A'Mare Skills Academy Shirt. The kid has a good heart.

Except that Stormchaser knows the english language and can make intelligent arguments.

Thanks Team for a great opportunity to support the Mean Green. Here is my summary for the area around Sack and Save: Chase Bank - said they wanted to post it but needed to check with regional leadership before posting. He took my number so in case they said "No" I could pick the poster up. Econo Cleaners - large poster up Supercuts - large poster on employee bulletin board area; Octoberfest sign in front window Natural Nails - large poster up Dollar General - large poster up and Octoberfest up (both in window) Jefferson Clinic - large poster up and Octoberfest up (in waiting area) Planet Tan - large poster up Smoothie Factory - left 5 brochures on community table North Texas Laundromat - large poster up Roys Wash n Dry - left poster with hardcore Mean Green Fan and active financial supporter after manager said nothing could go up in window (Tim is the owner of this business and I think he should be called to find out how he would like to support the University that sits directly across from his business) Chicken Express - large poster will be framed on Mean Green wall New York Subway - owners said they would place the sign up and I believed them Campus Bookstore - two small posters up in two windows Oriental Chinese Fast Food Express - small poster in window Subway - small poster that they would put on the employee bulletin board IHOP - left 5 brochures Metro PCS and Taco Cabana said they were corporate and could not place anything up with the logos. I too think these corporate offices should be called to find out how they would like to support the University that so many of their patrons come from. My statement was "Good morning, I am from the Alumni Association and we have the brand new posters for the upcomting football season. I was hoping I might be able to put one up in your window?" I was not met with any resistance and I couldn't help but think how awesome it would be for students, cheerleaders and players to descend upon businesses with goodies and literature. I would even have Scrappy make an appearance at some lucky child oriented businesses. Sorry for the long message but this was exciting and has the potential to grow into a true distribution force. I was finished distributing all of my materials less than 90 minutes after leaving the Mean Green lot with my supplies. Great job team! See you on the Hill. GMG

Thor sits in section 106 on the other side of the field. I had no idea he could hurl a can of beer than far.

You really are new to the program aren't you? I like the optimism, but (based on past rulings) I have the think that both will be denied until they are officially granted.

1. Please tie your thoughts on helmet stickers, the 2-3 zone and gas prices into one, concise sentence. 2. What current member of the Mean Green nation would you take a bullet for? 3. What, um...do you like this gig?

Isn't everyone getting sick of walking into xyz store in the metroplex and seeing more Texas State, TCU and SMU gear on the shelves in DFW than North Texas? There is a reason for this, and some of it is controllable. But pointing out who is actually responsible for not doing their job, ie....collegiate licensing, mershandising etc, on a fan message board gets deleted? Until this fan base collectively stands up and demands that those in charge do their jobs this program will continue to play second fiddle to everyone else in Texas.

I like you kid, but... Brevity is key on GMG.com. Also, just to chime in on the topic, I think anyone who professes to be atheist or agnostic should not try to quote the Bible as if they are Theologians. TFLF's post early in this thread (page 1) is probably overly-simplistic in his Old VS. New Testament breakdown, but the overall concept is there. Thanks to Christ, we aren't under that law anymore. After His death and resurrection, we are in a period of GRACE. Hence, there is no reason to stone anyone for breaking OT law... Christ already took that punishment. Gay or straight. Kosher or delicious Pork. Long hair or short... Jesus loves us all, and although the Bible clearly defines homosexuality as sin, Romans 5:8 tells Christians (or, Christ followers) that we are to love the sinner, because, after all, we all were once mired in sin ourselves, and I'm not sure about you all, but I am still in need of His grace DAILY. It appears that most logical people on this issue share the same thoughts: As long as the company does not treat any homosexual employees/customers differently, then people can have their differences of opinion.

I'm going to attempt to respond as kindly as possible, but I may come off as rude in some instances. This is not on purpose, I'm just in a very blunt mood today, and I'm probably going to put things bluntly. If I offend you with the way I say something, then I am sorry. End disclaimer Thank you for the basic high school anatomy brush up. You're science is somewhat sound, I will give you that. And I am glad someone has actually tried to use logic and science in an argument against this, this is actually the first time I have actually seen that anywhere. But there are fundamental flaws with using this argument in general, and your astounding level of ignorance tacks on many more. I could be wrong, but to me your post wreaks of Christian bias. The first flaw is bringing up the matter of anal sex altogether. Before your post, not a single person explicitly mentioned that; the forum was about gay marriage, not gay sex. While the two may go hand in hand with gay male marriage oftentimes, it is a blanket statement to assume this is always the case. And it is never the case with female gay marriage, you know, since they lack....an appendage to use. Regardless of the science behind the dangers of anal sex, which are very true and it is sound science, that has nothing to do with the legality of gay marriage, for a couple of reasons. For one, it has nothing to do with actual marriage and relationship, since a gay male couple may exclusively perform oral sex on each other, and a gay female couple is not going to do it at all. Regardless, you can't legislate what happens in the bedroom, since it's just flat out wrong to do, and there is no way of actually enforcing that. Secondly, allowing a gay male couple to marry isn't going to make them more or less likely to have anal sex anyways. If they are a couple, and they'd get married if it were legal, then they're going to do it anyways. So, this point is completely invalid towards the argument of the legality of gay marriage. A second fundamental flaw is that you bring up the point of nature, and how a male and female are needed to have a baby. This was probably the most laughable part of the argument. First off, no sh!t. I don't think any gay couple has sex in any capacity thinking they're going to get pregnant. That isn't the point of sex for them, and it isn't the point of sex for a large amount of heterosexual couples either. They have sex because it's the most stimulating and amazing way to show your partner how you feel about them. The majority of mainstream America does not view sex as just a way to make children. It's a beautiful and incredibly diverse part of life that people embrace regardless of their sexuality. This is again, an irrelevant argument. Another part of that argument's laughability is how other mammals engage in homosexual activities. If it was just a conscious and irresponsible choice by the species of higher intelligence, this would not be the case. Conveniently, someone posted a list of all mammals that have exhibited homosexual behavior in some way, shape, or form (listed with legitimate sources, and the page has been up for quite some time; if it was incorrect the wikipedia mods would have edited it by now...I've experienced firsthand how quick they are). I'll link it below this paragraph. We aren't talking about a list of 3 or 4 mammals. There are well over one hundred listed mammals that have been documented to act in homosexual ways. So, clearly it is a natural phenomenon that wasn't invented by humans, considering there are countless examples of it happening in nature. Again, I sense a very strong Christian bias. Science gotten from a Christian Apologetic website is not actual science. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior Now to go back a bit, to the subject of how anal sex is unnatural and the point of the anus is not to be penetrated, but to expose of waste. Fantastic, I'm glad you cleared that up for me. I was also convinced that my nose's secondary function was to be penetrated as well, but your point got me doing some research...never mind. Look, obviously the biological function of the ass is not a sexual function. Neither is the mouth, but I don't see anyone trying to outlaw oral sex. So why anal sex? I mean, haven't you ever heard of a man and a woman having anal sex? It really isn't that uncommon. The fact that you imply that gay couples are the only couples to do some sexual exploration is both baffling and another strong indicator of your strong Christian bias. Now, onto your point about AIDS. I really can't believe that you think that AIDS is still exclusively in the gay community. That's honestly baffling. How sheltered are you? Have you ever watched the world news and seen that AIDS is a major issue in some of the poorer parts of Africa? AIDS has nothing to do with the gay community; it is where it first appeared in the US, but AIDS and gay are not something that goes hand in hand. Due to the fact that no one knew about it when it was first surfacing, blood transfusions were one of the biggest spreaders of the disease, and it is in the general population. Magic Johnson has AIDS, and he is not gay. Obviously that is just one example, but you get my point. Being sexually "responsible" does not reduce your chance of AIDS. Your partner could have been born with the disease due to his mother unknowingly having it, and he could be a virgin when you guys first have sex, and there you go, now you have AIDS. Now yes, admittedly, there are more gay people than straight people with AIDS, especially in the United States. But that is merely due to the fact that it was introduced in the gay population for whatever reason. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are gay, and worldwide this is not the case. Being gay does not cause AIDS, as you insinuate. Your point is both ignorant and bigoted. Please point me in the direction of a non Christian scientist who is against gay marriage. Please do. I am calling your bluff here. I have never heard a non Christian scientist come out against gay marriage. But, if you can give me a link, a name, something, to point me in that direction, I'll accept your point. Regardless, even if they are any, they aren't the majority. Not even close. They are random statistical outliers, who in the scheme of things, are meaningless. But that is even if you can point me in the direction of just one, which I doubt you can. That being said, there literally is no reason other than religion to outlaw gay marriage. Not one. Science is not a reason, as everything you pointed out is easily shown to be flawed as an argument against gay marriage, namely because marriage or no marriage, gays are going to have sex. So if science is ruled out, what else is there? Any other argument has to do with religion. If religion is taken out of the argument, there is literally no reason to tell gays they cannot get married. I agree with you that anal sex is not a safe thing. I disagree with you that that is a good reason to outlaw gay marriage. To go with my reasoning from earlier, gays are going to do it anyways, it doesn't apply to all of them, and you cannot enforce a law against anal sex anyways...let alone that legislating the bedroom is just disgustingly immoral. But, to take that a step further, if you're going to use the argument that allowing gays to have anal sex should be against the law because it costs us unnecessary money in health costs, then fine. As you put it: "...as well as costing the health care system billions and causing R&D in the pharmaceutical industry to divert time and money away from tragic diseases that do not arise from behavioral choices." Okay. Then, in order to be fair, we need to outlaw every other activity that will divert time and money from tragic diseases that do not arise from behavioral choices. It is now illegal drive a car, ride a bike, go outside for long enough to get a sunburn without globbing on tons of sunscreen, play sports, run, go swimming, go on a plane, go on a train, drink alcohol, work any kind of blue collar job like construction, etc. The government now needs to enact legislation to prevent the companies that process food using chemicals that have been known and documented to cause cancer. Coal mines need to stop, because they're too dirty and cause too much bodily harm to the workers. Minor injuries, such as broken bones, concussions, fairly bad cuts, muscle pulls and tears, need to go untreated because we need to focus all our attention on people that have fallen victim to a tragic disease, so in order to maintain the safety of society without basic medical care, the government has put many bans into effect to prevent them from hurting themselves, including but not limited to everything listed. Basically, the only thing that is allowed is to grow food that isn't too dangerous to maintain, on your property, without using pesticides or other potentially harmful chemicals, using and drinking water that comes from your faucet that uses a government mandated water purification system, and then sleeping. Have fun with that life. While you try to legislate what others do in the bedroom, think of the potential consequences of ensuring that this group of people does not get equal rights. That opens a pandora's box, your group may be next.

We've been needing a new hurricane expert on these boards for a while now. This seems perfect.

Crap, another GL2Greatness.

It's not on it, its in front of it

My apologies, I actually missed the prison part. I'm really not feeling well today but I'm sorry for missing a part of your all important post. My response to that is that psychology is a changeable thing. Just like when you read the books of "reformed gays", they find a way to convince themselves to be attracted to something else, although the other attractions do not go away. It was ignorant of me to actually exclude the possibility that your friends were so fed up with the opposite sex, and it was such an intense psychological reaction, that they were able to convince themselves that they were attracted to the same sex. It can happen. Although, bisexuality is another option, especially considering psychologists agree that sexuality isn't accurately described by the 3 titles, but on a 6 point scale. 0 being completely straight, 6 being completely gay, 3 being perfectly bisexual and indifferent between the two sexes. Most people fall between 1 and 5. So applying that to the prison part, it isn't a stretch to believe that prisoners could be so psychologically strained by the fact that they're not going to see another person of the opposite sex for years, or even forever, that they might convince themselves to be attracted to the same sex, especially if they were not a 0 on the scale. I think this can be summed of very generally and crudely by this sentence: A hole is a hole, and better than no hole at all.

You trying to make it a simple matter just shows you don't have a clue. Of course it's always easy to dismiss something with a wave of the hand. As expected, you don't mention the prison scenario but that's fine. I am done with this topic because quite frankly, you bore me.

We had a great time! The dance contest was hilarious! We have the best coaches at NT! They managed to put this video together and show it to us before the end of the clinic. (Also won some cool gear in the raffle!) I really respect and appreciate all the time and physical effort our players and coaches give for this game. Coach Mac ended our huddle up with "Mean Green Family" and I am very proud to be a member, Can't wait for the season to start! GMG! That's my daughter's feet at 2:19! Great footwork!

I was glad to waste my time out there with the other guys. It was fun.

Kram, the consummate politician.

So, I've been informed that one of our more "esteemed" fans has said that he was glad he didn't "WASTE HIS TIME" going all over Denton with posters Saturday. Really, waste of time? Seriously? Since when is getting together with a group of UNT and Mean green fans a waste of time? And, since when is talking UNT and Mean Green football with local merchants and Dentonites a waste of time? I had several conversations with several people who thanked me for helping out, who wanted to display the posters, who even asked for more Mean Green "stuff" to display and who really wanted to talk Mean Green football with me. I did not have one negative comment all the time I was out. In fact the only negative comments about our effort has come from "guess where"? If I was wasting my time Saturday, getting to be part of this group and getting to meet some Mean Green fans I had not had the pleasure of meeting before and talking Mean green football with lots of interested Dentonites, then I truly hope I get to do a lot more "wasting my time" events. I am more than ready and willing to ":waste" more of my time having that much fun! Anyone out there who participated in this event Saturday think it was a waste of their time? Because those are really the only opinions that actually matter. Based on the reception I got Saturday from local businesses, I do think the tide may be beginning to turn in Denton and that this town may finally be on the verge of actually starting to really support Mean Green Athletics! Slowly, sure...but I sure seemed to sense positive movement while out Saturday...that made it an even more positive experience for me.

We used to joke that if there was one surefire way to never work at NT athletics...just graduate from NT.

...WHO'S WITH ME?!?!

I agree that we cannot change each other's minds, but it just saddens me that you can't properly read what I type. I know I'm long winded, but c'mon man, I'm not difficult to understand. I have said explicitly, multiple times in fact, that being gay may not be genetic. No one knows whether it is genetic, whether it is caused from occurrences in early childhood when the brain is still developing, whether it's some form of birth defect that effects brain chemistry and hormones, or by something else entirely. The point is though, it is not a conscious decision. I understand what you're argument was, but unfortunately your examples were so ignorant and poor that it didn't prove a single thing that you were trying to say. Like I said, research first, then argue. To reiterate, no one consciously makes a decision thinking that it will make their life more difficult. In the heat of the moment, a decision may be made to do something stupid. But, being gay isn't a single decision. It is a part of someone, and thinking that they can turn gay on and off is just absurd. You don't choose to be straight, you just are. Try getting aroused by gay pornography, if it doesn't work, you're straight. If it does, you're probably bisexual. It really is that simple. Besides, if being gay was a choice, don't you think that at least ONE out of the closet homosexual would say that he chooses to be that way? Don't you think that at least one of them would have let the cat out of the bag at this point? Doing some simple math, there are roughly 15 million gay men in the United States. Every gay person that has ever talked about being gay, says it is not a choice. Look at the entire world, in which there is a population of 7 billion now. Cut that in half to divide between men and women, and divide by 10 to get the rough amount of gay men. That is 350 million gay men. Do you really think that every single one of them is choosing to be gay, and every single one of them is denying that they are choosing that? Yeah, I don't think so.

Yeah I just saw it a second ago, looks really cool for an outer shell. I look forward to seeing how it looks when it's 100% done. GMG

Sounds like we need a UNT BB garage sale ...

C Vo posted this in another thread:

I'm for cutting anyone that isn't getting the job done unless there is a reason that he/she cannot. While I'd prefer alums they must be qualified. This is a critical time for promotions, sales, and donations. It's like not getting a second chance to make a first impression.

These words appearing - on topic, no less - on GMG has made every argument, every insult, and every -1 along the way worth it. Oh, and if next year's football poster slogan isn't "TEARING THE RECTAL WALL", we've learned nothing.

Skiver found this section of the board!? Thank you so much, CFA. Also, I bet if you knew the Steak N Shake guys thoughts on stem cell research, you'd never drink a banana milkshake again.

He did, however, leave a deposit

Tony Mitchell has been attending UNT for 1 1/2 years at this point (began attending Jan.2011). When he arrived at UNT he was the most decorated recruit EVER to step foot on this campus. He was 1st team All SBC as of April. Just about everyone who knows anything about basketball knows that he WILL BE a lottery pick next year. Yet, I walk into the bookstore Saturday, and not one Tony Mitchell jersey to be found. ARE YOU F'N KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!! I was told that I would need to talk to whoever does their purchasing. Well, that person should be fired, IMO. Pretty freaking unbelievable that the most marketable player in any sport in recent UNT history has ZERO merchandise for sale at the union. EDIT: and let me clarify, they were not sold out of Mitchell swag, they just haven't ordered any.

I bought the TMitch T Shirt last winter but that is all I have seen since that time. I was in Sports Authority in Lewisville yesterday. Amongst the countless OU, UT, T A&M and TCU merchandise were four white very mediocre looking Nike Apogee Stadium T Shirts but only in Medium and Large sizes.

Yep he started at SMU. Both his parents went there and he's from HP. From what I've heard him say on the radio he didn't go back there because it didn't quite fit his scene.

Yesssssssssss. The football garage sale was awesome, I bought so much random stuff. I think my favorite purchase might have been a 2004 sun belt champions shirt, even over the older jersey that I'm too fat to fit into (you know it's time for a diet when you're too fat to fit into a #63 jersey haha)

Gotta agree with you guys here, whoever it is that is in charge of this has really dropped the ball so far. They should be doing everything possible to capitalize on this rare opportunity, and they've really done next to nothing at all. The only TM related material I've ever seen was the white North Texas T-shirt that had #13 on the back. But, even that's pretty vague.

I hope he does well. Its a very important to build good relations with high school coaches. Mac recruited Texas pretty heavily when he was at ISU so he should already know his way around.

Please tell me that your not trying to imply that brian wasn't getting the job done

Truly sad. Would that be the job of the Athletic Dept. or the Bookstore purchasing folks? Edit: If you go to www.collegebasketballstore.com (that's right, an on-line basketball store) you can drill down past the "top 100" schools, search through 500+ other schools until you find North Texas Mean Green and you can purchase last years Lance Dunbar football jerseys. Our guys are on top of this.

Also, bases upon your statement that homosexuality is not a choice because why would they choose a lifestyle that is difficult in so many ways. Then is drug addiction, being a criminal, driving drunk, being an alcoholic genetic also? Wouldn't it be much easier on these people to not be this way, so why do they make the choice to do these things or live that lifestyle since their are social stigmas attached to these?

No. There are non-Christians who understand science and, therefore, oppose gay marriage as well. When you study anatomy and physiology, you discover that the purpose of the anus is not sexual. It is part of the digestive system. It's the final stop in expelling waste. In short, its natural function is as an exit for that which the body has no use for, and not for stuff things into. The anus isn't a sexual organ. Hence, diseases and other problems arise from tearing the rectal wall from its misuse. When you study biology, you discover that the way humans procreate is an egg from a female of the specie, and sperm from the male. There is no other way man could have evolved and continued reproducing. Two men, alone, cannot procreate another human. They have to have an egg donor. For two women, they must have a sperm donor, because they cannot procreate with two eggs alone. We can wonder why a man and a woman who marry and stay monogamous do not get venereal diseases and HIV/AIDS. Or, we can simply accept the truth: because they are not misusing their bodies sexually, they will not get those diseases. We can wonder why a man and a woman are able to procreate and reproduce. Or, we can simply accept the truth: in order to reproduce, you must have the egg of a woman and the sperm of a man. We are talking about what is natural scientifically. If it was natural to the body to accept abuse of the anus, there would not be the plethora of warnings to homosexual men about diseases. If it were natural to the body to allow procreation between two men alone or two women alone, then reproduction would occur between same sex couple without egg or sperm donors. Gay activists choose to ignore science altogether. They live in a cocoon, denying that HIV/AIDS is still a problem almost exclusive to their community. The cure for HIV/AIDS has been and always will be abstaining from homosexual sex. The easiest target for gay activists is Christians because Christians cite the Bible truthfully. However, Bible or no Bibe, God or no God, homosexual sex goes against the sciences of, at minimum, physiology and biology. Those who are truthful about what the Bible says about homosexuality oppose gay marriage. Those who scientifically understand the health risk attributed to homosexual sex oppose gay marriage. For me, it's good enough to be able to live with my eyes wide open. I see that people leading the lifestyle that Chik-Fil-A's CEO leads are not plagued with diseases wrought by their own sexual behavior. By contrast, I see that people leading the gay lifestyle have to deal with those sexual disease issues as well as the financial and psychological fallout from them...as well as costing the health care system billions and causing R&D in the pharmaceutical industry to divert time and money away from tragic diseases that do not arise from behavioral choices.

Really? It would be apples and oranges if I was comparing race and a true lifestyle issue, such as political affiliation, housing preferences, clothing preferences, musical preferences, career and money issues, whatever. Being gay is nothing like any of those. It isn't a lifestyle, it isn't a subculture (although admittedly many gays choose to live a certain way, but not all do). I don't know why you're turning this into a left vs. right thing, or a atheist vs. Christian thing. My point in bringing up Christianity and the bible is saying that one cannot legislate their religion, which is fact. I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe, and neither one of us can legislate our beliefs. If it were up to me, God would be taken out of the Pledge of Allegiance. But that's MY opinion, and I cannot legislate that. The point I am attempting to make here is not that I want my views to be law. I don't want that at all. I am trying to make the point that we need to have equal rights for all, and currently that isn't the case when it comes to gays. Being gay is not a choice, that is a fact. There is no other evidence needed for that other than this: 10% of men are gay. That's all the evidence necessary, you know why? Because 10% of the world's male population would not choose to change their natural sexual orientation to live a life in which they are talked down upon, and don't have equal rights. My gay uncle has said he wished he was straight, because his life would be a lot easier. But he isn't, and that can't change. Whether or not it's genetic, or happens sometime during childhood development, is beyond me. No one knows which it is for sure. But, that's irrelevant. The point is that, as a nation where we say that everyone has the same inalienable rights (life, liberty, pursuit of happiness), we cannot deny gays the right to get married. This isn't a lifestyle choice; sexual orientation is as much a part of who a person is as the color of their skin is. Due to this, we cannot deny them the right to get married. Denying them marriage is infringing on their freedom, or liberty. It also blocks their pursuit of happiness. I really don't understand why this is such a controversial issue, it's so freaking basic that it's ridiculous. It has nothing to do with left or right. It has nothing to do with Christian or Muslim or atheist. It has to do with inalienable rights, and simple logic. I'm going to now defend myself a bit here. I preach tolerance and understanding, you are correct. I preach that for all people. That is where I call others out. If you don't share the vision of all people having the same rights and everyone getting along, regardless of religion, race, gender, sexual orientation, height, weight, hair color, whatever, then you are intolerant to whatever type of person it is that you don't want rights for. Again, simple logic. A person who does not tolerate another person due to things that they either are born with, cannot change, or that does not effect the judging person in any way, shape, or form, is not tolerant towards that person. This isn't even 1+1=2 in logic factor. This is literally 1=1. I'm not saying tolerate murderers, rapists, pedophiles, etc., because those people harm others and effect people in a negative way. If someone wants to dye their hair the colors of the rainbow, what's wrong with that? It's a bit taboo, but why judge? It doesn't effect you at all. If you men or women want to get married because they love each other, and they want the same rights that straight couples have, what is wrong with that? It does not effect you or your life at all in any way, so why does it matter to you? I really do not comprehend how people fail to understand this logic. I reiterate, this has nothing to do with religion, nor politics. It is simple freaking logic. I have said countless times now due to the fact that people cannot read, and see me defending gays and immediately go into "attack the commie" mode, I support the rights of all people. I disagree with Christianity, that doesn't mean that I want it to be outlawed. As a nation we need to understand that people differ than each other, and there are going to be countless amounts of opinions, thoughts, etc., on every subject. That doesn't make one right or wrong, they're opinions. But it isn't an opinion that gay marriage should be legal in our country. It is fact found through logically looking at the inalienable rights that every citizen of our country has, and by looking at our constitution. If you don't want this country should legalize gay marriage due to your own personal reasons, or you think that it should due to your own personal reasons, those are opinions. There is a major difference there. I think that Jerry Sandusky should be tortured like we did to suspected terrorists at Guantanamo. That's an opinion. But, I know that that isn't going to happen due to our laws, and I believe that under our laws that it should not happen. If someone thinks that gays shouldn't be allowed to get married, again because of their personal beliefs and morals, then fine. But they should also know that because of the fact that we have inalienable rights and because of the things in our constitution, namely freedom of religion, that it should be legal. They can have the opinion that it shouldn't, and they may believe that we should change our laws, constitution, and rights, to exclude gays, but until that happens, they should understand that it should be legal. Also, as a quick side story, to show you how this issue should have little to do with religion and politics, one of my best friends is hardcore Christian. Incredibly hardcore Christian. He's also a right leaning, gun loving, libertarian. He supports legalizing gay marriage. Not because he agrees with it (he doesn't), not because he wants to partake in it (he doesn't), but because we can't keep infringe on the rights of gays, regardless of the reason that they are gay. Everyone has the freedom to live how they choose, and as long as it doesn't harm others, it should be fine. That's basically his logic to it. And you know what? That's why he's one of my best friends. We may have major differences when it comes to religion, politics, and social issues, but he actually uses the brain he has and thinks logically. That is literally all that needs to be done here. Finally, I completely support CFA in being closed on Sunday's and believing what they want. As I said, what he said wasn't even an issue, or even remotely bad. People overreacted totally. But what he said did something important. It brought the fact that CFA donates millions of dollars to organizations whose primary purpose is to legislate Christianity, mostly banning gay marriage and abortion, to national attention. Most people nationwide did not know this, and that is what got people the most upset. I had already known this, it wasn't news to me, so I didn't give a damn about the whole fiasco, and I continue not to. I support the people's right to protest against CFA in any way and their right to stand up for what they feel is morally right. And I support the supporter's of CFA and their right to protest and stand up for what they believe is morally right. So, don't throw political and anti-religion labels on me. Be angry at me for being logical and for knowing more about the bible and Christianity than most Christians if you want to. But don't imply that I'm some liberal extremist who wants only my opinions to be tolerated. Get to know a few of us, we're a lot more tolerant and intelligent than you may think.

This is far from a confused post. Comparing murder to gay marriage is like comparing beheading a dog to accidentally stepping on an ant. It really just is simple logic that takes us to a very easy conclusion: If you are a human being in the United States of America (and many other countries around the world that aren't totalitarian crapholes), you have inalienable rights. These rights do not go away regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation. People made the same arguments towards interracial marriage that you and many others make towards gay marriage today. "How can a "right" that never existed in the course of human history be "taken away"". You failed at contextual reading sir, and you're resorting to petty nitpicking to prove your point. A state that outlaws the legalization of gay marriage is taking away the chance of any gay person in that state to have the same rights as everyone else. When this is 10% of the population, that's pretty bad. Again, I can point towards interracial marriage; one could have made the same argument half a century ago. "Blacks and whites have never had the right to get married to each other, especially not here in the USA, so why should they now?", or probably even more accurate to what the logic would have been, "Blacks have never had the right to marry a white person before.". Look how that turned out? Today, that happens all the time and no one says a damn thing, because it's okay and doesn't effect even the most racist person's life. I'm not about to turn this into a religious argument, because this isn't the time, place, nor venue for that. But just to make a quick point, using the bible to validate an opinion on gay marriage is actually incorrect, and outlawing gay marriage due to the bible is literally illegal. If we come to some scientific and unbiased conclusion that legalizing gay marriage greatly endangers everyone else in the country and invades their rights, then fine, it shouldn't be legalized. Obviously, that's completely ridiculous and allowing gays to get married doesn't effect any of us that do not choose to partake in gay marriage in any way, shape, or form. But let me go back to the point that using the bible to form a negative opinion about gay marriage is incorrect. The only place where the bible explicitly states that partaking in gay sex or being gay is wrong is in the Old Testament. You know what else is said in the Old Testament? That those who perform incestuous acts should be burned privately in a family home. That adulterers should be stoned to death publicly in the town square. That a man that rapes a virgin girl must then marry her. We don't take morals from the Old Testament, and for good reason. Christianity is all about the New Testament, and that is where Christian morals come from; specifically, they come from the teachings of Jesus. While incestuous marriage is illegal, that is because of the scientific dangers behind that. Incestuous marriage used to be common practice, especially between first cousins. It was seen as a good thing, until science brought to light the fact that it is awful for reproductive purposes, and children born of incest have an incredibly high rate of deformities, especially severe ones. And while adultery is definitely frowned upon and Christian values have something to do with that, we don't outlaw it. I shouldn't even need to comment on the rape example, that's illegal because it's disgusting and infringes on the girl's rights. And to complete the point, nowhere in the New Testament is gay marriage mentioned, nor is homosexuality mentioned at all. To the last comment, I'm not stirring the pot. I view this as an intellectual discussion between people of different viewpoints. Besides, if you'll note 2 of my earlier comments, some things are bigger than sports, and this is one of them. And I don't mean any offense by anything I say, this is just my opinion that I feel strongly about, and I respect other's rights to disagree with me and tell me why. I also respect my right to disagree with them and tell them why. Cheers.

i hadn't been over here in awhile and just wondered what your boy has been up to. looks like the mean green are having a good offseason. just read up on the new guy coming from marquette. nice. not nice for the rest of us though. our offseason couldn't be better. simply because ken mcdummy is nowhere to be found. norman dale (ray harper) has been working on keeping jimmy chitwood's elbow warmed up. i'm sure before we play ya'll this year that he'll pull out a tape measure and assure the toppers that the rims are 10' high and the free throw line is 15' from the rim. he'll have no business keeping the toppers close in a game with the mean green but i'm sure he'll give it his best shot. full disclosure: my nickname for my pee wee baseball team was 'shooter' p.s. as assistant head coach i helped our pee wee team to the county championship this year. had over 1200 views on ihigh the night of the game. i'm worldwide. p.p.s. i'll miss the mean green in hoops.

Future generations will view the gay marriage issue like we view things like child labor and women's suffrage movement. The obvious eventual outcome on this issue will be that gay marriage will be viewed as a fundamental right - which it is. In the meantime we will waste valuable time, money, and resources on this idiotic debate. Thank you founders for doing your best to keep church and state seperate.

Not really. There is a reason that gays may seem intolerant towards those that want to take away their rights. You know, because they are gay, and they deserve the same rights as everyone else. Look back in history, to when blacks were going through this same issue. People were trying to outlaw interracial marriage, and make it so blacks cannot vote. Blacks fought this, and were intolerant towards people that disagreed with them. I think you'll agree that they had good reason. Anyone that doesn't support rights for all is intolerant, not the other way around. I support everyone's right to an opinion and belief, but no one has the right to legislate their belief, especially when it takes away other's rights. Like I said, if you don't think it's okay for gays to get married, then don't partake in gay marriage. It isn't your decision how other's live their lives. That doesn't make any sense. It isn't ANYONE'S job, including the states. If gays don't have the right, due to the state they live in, then they need to fight for the right. It wasn't the states right to play moral cop back when racism was the issue either. There is a reason the federal government made it impossible for the states to play moral cop when it comes to outlawing interracial marriage and preventing blacks from voting. The same logic applies here. There is no reason other than religion that someone would want to outlaw gay marriage. Due to that, it cannot be outlawed, because religion cannot be legislated. Easy.

Going through all the comments that were posted after mine, I guess none of you have any real sense. It's so simple that it's ridiculous. It's a controversy because CFA donates millions to organizations that try to legislate Christianity, namely making gay marriage illegal. What he said brought that to light. Whatever your opinion or beliefs, fine. But, not everyone will share that view. Telling people to screw or F off isn't going to make your point any clearer. Besides, I think the gay marriage issue has a very simple solution. It needs to be legal, precisely for the reason that we all have the right to freely believe and practice any religion we want. And because of that, we cannot legislate religion, or prevent change due to religion. In some religions, it may be okay for gays to get married, and people without a religion could give a damn who marries who. Therefore, to protect all involved, anyone should be able to marry anyone if they choose to do so, the only restrictions should be against incest because that's just unsafe for reproductive purposes, and if a brother and sister, or different gender cousins cannot get married because of that, then we need to have that restriction for gays as well. If you don't believe in gay marriage, fine. There's a simple solution to that. If you're a guy, don't marry a guy. If you're a woman, don't marry a woman. Problem solved. It isn't your job to play moral police with our laws and rights.

Ok, now you're just being silly.

Thank you for proving his point. Until our fanbase comes out to see NORTH TEXAS and not just for "relevant opponents" we will continue to be a midling program at best.