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Odoh didn't exactly just step off the boat and enter the USA. Lets see Odoh has now played for two different Jucos, signed and been released from USM and NT, so he should have a fair understanding no matter what his language skills are of what is going on. It really doesn't bother me that Odoh wanted to change schools after the coaching change. However, as I stated above; it does bother me that he didn't have the courtesy or fortitude to meet directly with the new coach of the University he signed a contract with. I am sure he is being "guided" by someone, whether it is his juco coach, potential agent or a member of NT's old coaching staff; but that doesn't clear him of the responsibility of his actions. It is obvious that Odoh had nothing to lose and potentialy something to gain by meeting with Benford. Odds are he is being guided by someone who has a lot more than Odoh's best interest as a motive.

I know this might shock you, but football might not be as big a deal as bball to some.

In football, just as in basketball, there is such a thing as strength of schedule. Start scheduling nothing but cupcakes and you may have a good record but you'll be lower-rated than some 3, 4, and 5 win teams. And, if you have a few winning records, when do you switch and start playing the big boys? Do you just keep padding your record? For now, I would forego the opportunity game and have one with a MWC team, another with a lower standing power six conference team, one with a Sun Belt team, and one with a Texas team. All games to be home and home (unless one Texas team is FCS).

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I wonder if the same fans that emailed the president and AD demanding they resign will now send emails apologizing to them.

Hard to believe that Tulane, even their most optimistic fans are thinking Big 12. At this time they have a destination city going for them but little else. You realize what a down reputation NT has when you read threads like this. FIU is thought to be a good add but NT is seldom mentioned in a positive light. There is only one thing that La Tech and FIU have advantages over NT, recent football history.

GomeanGreen.com to soon feature an all SMU all the time sub-forum? . Question, no info.

I don't understand why so many of you want to schedule Sun Belt teams when we've been complaining for years that no one wants to watch UNT against Sun Belt foes.

I really like our division. I hope it stays together.

Boise State plays a FCS school just about every year. The past couple of years they've mixed in a game against the MAC and one against a BCS school. Hardly scheduling up. Our non-conf schedules are much tougher than Boise's. It ain't the schedule, its the winning.

My guess there were more people involved than Odoh in that decision. Why would he under any circumstances refuse to talk to the new coach of the team he signed with? I can understand why NT attempted to play hardball with him. This kid didn't deserve a release.

Who cares about what FSU does? Would you RATHER be New Mexico State right now? Be thankful for where we are now (thanks to RV), and don't get your panties in a bunch over something we have no control over.

It gives us a big recruiting edge over the MWC, WAC, & SBC as they have basically lost the Texas connection. Outside of the Big 12 we should have an edge when it comes to local TV & press in the major Texas markets. When we play Rice, UTEP, or UTSA we will get press coverage in 2 large Texas markets at the same time. I think smu isolated themselves in a conference that has little connection to Texas. Only Houston can help them fill a half empty stadium only once every two years. Basketball will be brutal for them. No matter where we recruit in Texas, parents will get the chance to see their kids play. That's a huge selling point.

Well that's just dumb.

Cooley, I appreciate your honesty but would you boycott a basketball game if it's against say, Middle Tennessee or Louisiana? It seems to me that the opponent makes little difference for you in basketball. Of course, we'd all prefer to see us vs. Texas Tech, Oklahoma State et al at home but we've endured much worse opponents than the SBC. The same would be true for football. I'll be at the Texas Southern game just because North Texas is playing.

To answer the title to this thread, yes we should. The majority of the rest of this thread is a total beating.

I generally don't make all the home games these days. If after this year we play a SunBelt team in football, I will honestly say that I will probably not make that game.

That McDonalds was cool back in the 70's

Attendance will be SMU greatest challenge when it joins the Big East! SMU average attendance was a dismal 20,889 in 2011 and they played against primarily regional opponents. SMU will see increase competition for sport fans in DFW. The TCU joining the Big 12 and UNT is joining the C-USA in 2013. Both schools will be playing regional opponents with large fan and alumni base in the DFW area. UNT should see a significant increase in attendance. Just the opposite is true for SMU when it enters the Big East in 2013. In the Big East, SMU only has one competitor in central time zone, Houston. With the exception of Houston and Memphis, SMU 's next closet competitor in the Big East is nearly a 1000 miles a way. SMU will only play Houston every other year. With TCU joining the Big 12, the Hornfrogs will have four teams in the Big 12 within 200 miles. If schools like Oklahoma, TCU , Baylor are looking for an additional regional game, they probably prefer not to pickup an OOC game with a Big East school, for several reasons. First, the revenue sharing would be more favorable with a major-minor team. The Big East team is a competitor in the same media market and has a major media contract. The Big 12 does not want to give them any more media exposure or elevate the prestige of any Big East team. Major conference teams book OOC games with teams where they can reasonably expect a victory. The Big 12 will not provide the Big East will an opportunity to defeat a Big 12 during the regular season. It will be difficult for SMU in the future to book regional OOC with the Big 12. Most of SMU competitors in the Big East are not in the same region as SMU nor do they have a large fan or alumni base in DFW. Don't look for a large number of Big East fans travel thousands of miles to Dallas to attend a football game at SMU. The C-USA has created built in regional rivalries within the conference, these schools may be more interested in seeking "big money" high exposure games outside the region. Even if SMU's alumni and student body suddenly become energized, it would not have a major impact on attendance. SMU's alumni only number 112,000, with 40,000 in the DFW region. In 2011, SMU only had 6,221 undergraduate students. Gerald J. Ford Stadium may become a very very lonely place. I would expect that a game between SMU and UNT might actually become an annual event. Such a game would boost the attendance at both schools. TCU and SMU games will become a rarity. No regional rivalries except Houston within the Big East, the regional Big 12 schools will not schedule an OOC game with SMU, Regional major-minors looking for "big payday" games elsewhere and and a small alumni and undergraduate base in DFW, all add up to an empty stadium. So SMU where do expect to find the fans to fill your stadium?

I saw the title and thought it was a trick question Their stadium is usually empty.

It seems to me we're recruiting players this season who are more highly ranked than ever before. I'm not talking about 4* players or anything, but there's more and more guys listing us that are in the top 100 at their positions nationally and this should be a great recruiting season for us. The CUSA change should give us a boost and the days of signing players with no other FBS offers or only SBC offers are over. We will need all the help we can get to compete with Tulsa, I think they'll have the west locked down for the first couple of years.

Not another one of these!!!!!

I'm not sure I totally agree with that, since TCU has played five 1AA games along with a bunch of smu since '06. It's almost like half (with a one game exception) of their OOC schedule in recent years has been against guaranteed win opponents. A big dose of a mostly bad Baylor team hasn't hurt their record much either.

I wish we would ignor them as they as tried to do to us for years... We don't ned them .... they need us ...and some other local teams to fill their stadium.

How far are you from Norfolk ?

I bet money that GL2Greatness got his D&D playing ass kicked by a bunch of NT football players AND the only girl that ever touched his tiny weiner had a train pulled on her by the entire basketball team. DB to the nth degree.

Although SMU has tenative scheduling agreements with some Big 12 teams in the future, these games will be eliminated. The Big 12 has just completed an tv broadcasting agreement with ESPN and Fox. The Big East will begin negotiations on September 1 with ESPN and Fox. TV broadcast networks are not going to pay twice for the rights to broadcast the same game. Just another reason why bigs don't play other bigs during the regular season.

The fans will turn out for SDSU...who wouldn't want to see that?!?

Coach Patterson 'busted a gasket after their SMU loss over some shenanigans and I think that was a threat from him to not "help SMU" anymore by playing them, but I don't know what the TCU AD has decided on that series. TCU And Their Road Less Traveled: TCU played it smart, became exclusive (to a great extent) in their scheduling and didn't get bogged down by playing schools that had those lesser schools beat the Horned Frogs it would have probably delayed any kind of BCS buster kind of bowl and subsequently a better conference scenario like the Big 12. TCU didn't get in the Big 12 on their potential. Just like SMU and UNT, TCU's DFW location played a part in their getting in the Big 12, but not as big a part as it did for SMU for the B.E. (3 winning seasons in about a quarter of a century) and UNT for CUSA (we all know the road that we have travelled quite well for several decades now). TCU has my admiration because they have some most astute thinkers among their group who had a plan; had a formula even in their scheduling; who they wanted to be associated with schedule-wise and conference-wise; TCU officials didn't pussy foot with their alums and fans, either, preaching at the regulars to fiill Amon Carter Stadium as if if were their responsibility; but most of all, TCU knew where they wanted to go and had a short and long range plan to get there. They do have a nice bank account (endowment) that has helped, but sometimes having all the money in the world is not going to help if you don't have a plan....TCU had a plan and that plan landed them into the Big 12. Not a bad landing spot for a Texas private university most would agree in these parts. UNT and SBC? As a new CUSA member, North Texas will be going to new, exciting locales that will make "most" forget the SBC. FWIW, if you have divorced yourself from a conference or anything for that matter, why keep going back to a past relationship because I assure you post-UNT's SBC divorce--things will never be the same. .02 GMG!

The BE will make more money than CUSA, but it is an absolute dumpster fire. Look at all the dissention. Most of the CUSA and MWC teams joined becuase they were promissed a huge TV deal that was obviously greatly overestimated.

You can do better. Or, as someone whose handle is named after a man with a 13% success rate, maybe this is the best you've got?

Having the two champions play is not the point. The B1G and the Pac-12 champions have the Rose Bowl. Both conferences stress this is higher and more important than any BCS type bowl except the National Championship. This new "bowl" puts the BigXII and SEC on the same level as those other two.

Not sure what you are referring to. I don't think there are many out there that sign with a school than don't even give that school the courtesy of an interview after a coaching change.

It never has to be trimmed because it stopped growing when it reached the perfect length. It strains soup without getting damp. Its shade of salt and pepper changes to complement whatever RV is wearing. It exudes the smell of potential North Texas victory. It intimidates other facial hair, so RV never has to shave. It is...the most interesting mustache in the world. "I don't always warm lips, but when I do, I warm lips that are cheering for North Texas. Stay Green, my friends."

The major-minors are competing for media dollars. Networks and advertisers do not have unlimited funds. One more major bowl means fewer advertisers and networks funds for major-minor level bowls. If I remember right, Boise State and TCU were members of the WAC and MWC, respectively when they invited to major bowls. Remember the big fuss when TCU bumped the B1G conference out of Rose Bowl. If one the major bowls do become the exclusive property of the major conferences it does limit opportunities for major minors. It appears that the SEC/BIG 12 is eyeing the Sugar Bowl. The PAC12 and the B1G have always claim squatters rights to the Rose Bowl. A four team playoff only requires three bowl games, there are four BCS bowls.Yet there talk about adding an additional national championship after the bowl games. That's two too any unless...

Please remember you wrote this when you feel the need to bring up Hayden Fry, any game played in Tennessee circa 1975ish and the 88 Texas team. thanks.

This game will NEVER pit the two champions against each other. One or both will likely get a BCS bowl or the National Championship, OR one or both will qualify for the new 4-team playoff once the playoff era begins.

Lazy? Thought like the SBC? Plumm is straight up wrong. UNT didn't just "land" in the Belt. The Belt was our D1 home, where rebuilt the program. 4 bowls, 2 NCAA BB bids, 2 more BB conference finals, new stadium. Plumm's revisionist history makes it sound like the Big West was good for us and we made some mistake and accidentally ended up in the Belt. And Yes, we should should schedule SBC, MWC, Big 12, and Big East teams.

Couldn't agree with you more. When we played Louisville, Duke and UCF we were firing on all 12. When we played Akron the team came out pretty flat and it showed.

I doubt that it will be as early as last year. The talent level just went up a little. There is a need to see about those whose interest may include us as a CUSA member that weren't very interested in us while in the Sun Belt. Some Big 12 rejects might add us as an interest instead of looking at the same level out of state. We'll try to get 4* type players first so I doubt that we'll be as quick to accept some players although we've likely been careful with who we have offered to date.

My buddy Peyton was finally moved out of the ICU again today. His girlfriend Nicole asked me to thank all who've donated from the bottom of her heart. The outpour of support she's seen thus far is overwhelming. A big hearty thank you from me as well.

So you are saying we should drop our series with SMU ?

haha. You beat me to it. Truthfully, I would love to see us continue playing LaLa and MTSU.

Ok, I just had to weigh-in with my history/old coot comment of the day. When I went to North Texas, Sack and Save was a Gibsons.......the forerunner to WalMart. And the McDonalds was totally dressed out in Mean Green colors (the apple green color) and decorations.... including the ceiling light fixtures that had Mean Green football helmets as the light shades.

Because UT won't come to Denton. Because the other AQ schools won't schedule home and homes. Because of the all the reasons listed on this 4 page thread.

1. SMU competes withl UNT in the same media market. 2. SMU competes with UNT in recruiting. 3. SMU competes with UNT in most sports and will compete in football in 2014 and 2015 4. SMU will no longer be able to schedule OOC games with regional Big 12 teams, creating an opportunity for UNT If you are not obsessed with SMU ..You should be.

I think TCU will become another whipping boy in the Big 12. Much like Baylor, I feel they will suffer long periods of struggling on the field, and winning seasons will come few and far between. In the end, I think TCU will fight it out with Baylor for the same DFW recruits they have been fighting over; mostly 3 star recruits that didn't get offers from Texas and OU. TCU was a safe add for the Big 12. I do think TCU will have more success recruiting nationally. I honestly think some of the recruits Baylor and TCU will fight over, will end up signing with Houston, SMU, and UNT.

I wouldn't mind playing some of the remaining Sun Belt teams from time to time, but I'd prefer to see UNT focus on developing our series with SMU into an annual game, and scheduling more name teams like Indiana for home and home series. I hope we get to a point where we play 7 home games a season, against name teams.

These light fixtures you speak of...kerosene or candles?

Got all my 8-tracks from Gibsons