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In related news, Karl Benson today asked Rick Villreal if North Texas would be interested in joining the Sun Belt. Benson later apologized saying it was just a force of habit.

I just asked the bench "How did you ever win two?!" Coach turned around and said to me "I tell you, I don't f&$@ing know!" Seriously.

It's unfortunate that something that should be so unifying as sharing a common alma mater is so hatefully divisive.

...was ugly and kind of awkward and gangly. In high school, she wasn't much hotter. She did get on the drill team. But, I mean, I went to a high school with an enrollment of over 3,000, so there were tons of girls on the drill team. A couple of years into college, an old high school friend asked if I'd heard about her. I said, no. He told me she had become a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader. So, we got tickets to a game, and sure enough, there she was in the Game Day program and on the field shaking the pom-poms and whatnot, and hotter than fish grease. Why is this relevant to UNT football? Well, I think our little UNT is like this girl. When we had Fouts and were I-AA, we were pretty much just another girl at school. Not real outstanding. Like the junior high version of the girl, nice, but not really catching anyone's attention. We got back into I-A and, after a few seasons, began to win some championships. Our profile was raised a little, but not to a huge degree. Like the girl joining the drill team in high school. Now, we've got Apogee, decent basketball, and some real coaches pretty much all the way around. I don't think it will be too long before we are surprising people like this gal did when we all discovered she was a DC cheerleader. So, kids and fans and TCU lurkers wondering where you're going to buy your next bag of weed now that your sources have been busted, don't despair: we will one day be hotter than fish grease. Then, we will align the conferences instead of them realigning us. Book it, Dan-o!

Anybody who is that upset over RV getting an extension as AD, I have two words for you: Craig Helwig

Except when they catch the Crimson Tide by surprise ...

Count me as solidly on board with a new deal for RV. He has done it the old-fashioned way...he has EARNED IT!

There are basically 6 teams vying for 5 byes. MT is a lock and will be the number 1 seed unless they lose out and UALR wins out, not likely. That leaves 5 teams going for the four other byes. ULL, Denver FAU, UALR and NT with NT having by far the hardest remaining schedule. The good news is that NT is in control and if they can win out would be assured the third seed and an outside shoot for the second seed. The question than becomes what happened if NT goes 2-1, 1-2 and NT is likely sunk. NT is currently the fifth seed ahead of only FAU at 7-6. FAU plays at MT and at home against USA and a bad Troy team. Most likely they will go 2-1 and end up 9-7 which means that NT could lose a game and still be above FAU at 10-6. The problem is that if NT loses two games, FAU has the tie breaker and NT plays 4 games at Hot Springs. It is also not out of the question that FAU could beat a disinterested MTSU team. Denver and ULL are both a half game up on NT, with both having two games left with ULM and NT. A miracle would have to happen for either team to lose to ULM, therefore I assume that both win against ULM. If NT beats Denver, they would win the tie breaker. If NT loses to Denver and both finish at 10-6, DU would have the tie breaker if I read the tiebreaker rules correctly because they have a win over MTSU. If NT loses to ULL, ULL wins the tiebreaker as they have beaten NT twice. If NT wins, head to head is tied, and it would go to the second tie breaker which could go down to record against UALR which NT would lose unless they beat UALR. While it is possible to catch UALR with one more NT lost, it is highly unlikely. NT would have to beat UALR and they would have to lose both to Troy away or ASU at home. In summary, if NT loses two they have a slim hope of a bye. IF NT goes 2-1, odds are good they will get a bye. Win all three and they are assured a third seed. This post has been promoted to an article

Off-football season hits a new low with car insurance talk.

Congratulations RV! I hear a new item being offered in the Pro/Gift Shop are new Mean Green totes to carry around old grudges. Should be a big seller.

Confirmed. I heard it too. Unbelievable.

Who cares?

Well, spill it! If the grumpy old man board is public, what's the url?

Let's see...our ticket sales divided by total attendance equals about $6.50 per ticket. Your ticket sales seem okay. You had $1,666,379 revenue from total attendance of 72,884. That averages $22.86 per ticket. The next year (2011) our revenue was about $6.8 million from football and an additional $6.9 million from unallocated sources. Total athletic revenues were $22,417,616.

My scor reel clos!

Franklin hasn't fallen off anything. He is our glue player. He does what is needed. His role isn't to score 20 points a night.

Congrats RV! You've done a lot for the university and I'm glad you'll have the opportunity to do much more! Go Mean Green!

Wow...it has already begun...there is one guy who has now said he is "done" with UNT...no more BB games this year, no hot springs trip and it's looking like no more season football tickets as well because of this announcement. Really? Seriously? Might want to relax a little and think about that threat before you get to deep into it. I realize some folks would like to see a new AD for UNT...no, as everyone knows, I am not one of those folks...that's no secret, and I respect the other sides opinion, I just happen to think they are misguided. But a threat such as the above in actuality does no harm to the AD, his staff or his programs, but it hurts UNT and it certainly smacks of one "cutting their own nose off to spite his face". We have all "sat through", cheered through and suffered through the trails and tribulations that is UNT athletics through the years, some for many more years that I have...right, Rick Spears? But, we all have very very fond memories of our times sitting in those seats, standing and yelling, enjoying Mean green victories and suffering through the losses together. I would hate to lose a friend and a long-time supporter of the Mean green over a personnel decision that none of us have any control over whatsoever. The greatness that is the Mean Green is much bigger than that and much bigger than any one person...no matter what position they hold. We can agree to disagree on the situation involving our AD, but what i don't think we would ever disagree on is our love for all that is the Mean green. UNT is OUR school, not the AD's or any one other person's...it is OUR school. Why not take a moment and think about that before making such a flat statement that one is "done with it"! Once you let this genie out of the bottle it's tough to put it back inside. Seriously....is it really worth losing all that over...all the years...all the memories ...all the friendships and acquaintances made through supporting the Mean Green, all the wins and all the losses....

Does this mean he got us into CUSA/MWC alliance?

If you're gonna talk about junior high kids take it to the Penn State board.(too soon?)

Even if it's an ugly girl...I'd still most likely hit it tho.

Ask someone else...I have no desire in helping increase viewership much less membership in that board. Sorry. I wouldn't have know myself had I not been alerted to all the kind things that were being posted about the Kram-ster. Venture over at your own peril..... OR PM Me....

For some that bag is bigger than the stadium!

For some that bag is bigger than the stadium!

PRICELESS... +1 for you, Sir. I had the privilege of congratulating RV in person last evening in the Mean green Room before the UL-M blowout! And, no, "Infidel" I did not kiss his rear end, I just shook his had...a grown man sort of thing to do!

Nope...all public....grumpy old man board.

Reading Elvert's posts keep me mentally sharp while also dumbing me down a little.

I can't speak for all fans, but for me, yes. If that makes me a bad fan, oh well. I don't care a single bit about ULL, ULM, MTSU, et al. If you asked the majority of casual college football fans what division those schools were in, they'd say "D2". And they'd be wrong on several levels, but it speaks to the perception of the league. So yeah, I'd much rather play Tulsa, Rice, and UTEP than anyone in the Sunbelt, times infinity. No offense. And I understand the head to head records of the Sunbelt schools vs other conferences and all that, and I get that the league is improving, but literally no one outside the fans of schools that are members of this conference cares about any of that.

UNT has over 36,000 students. As for what the AD took in via student fees, it's ridiculous to look at how much came in in 2010. In 2011, UNT initiated a new dedicated student athletic fee which never existed previously.

Whether you think he's coming back or not, there is a real possibility that this is Tony's last home game. I hope we pack the Pit. Attendance last night was pathetic.

--A hospital is not a church....even if they administer it.... every hospital takes federal money in the form of medicare and other ways.... That gives them the right to have "some" voice" in what is going on... Plus a hospital serves the general public and not just its members. ---I agree with you that the government has NO voice in what is going on at a church as long as it is not violating laws such as abusing kids or defrauding people. --- Schools ... not a church ...but.. maybe or maybe not....is it taking government money in any way? If not...no voice .... if so... they get some control. ---People absolutely have a choice to attend or not attend a private denominational school.... hospitals maybe not.. sometimes there are no other options available..... they are pretty much public items even if they have a religion's name in the Hospital name.. The church doesn't even get close to providing the entire financial support of a hospital, it is not religious donations but the public (fees) and taxpayers (medicare for example) that do. ---Accidentally ran across this yesterday while reading a "Eyewitness guide of Greece"(p.19)... It has the 2ed lowest birth rate in Europe....behind Italy.....which is where the Pope is and highly Catholic. ...... Wow.... either that hot blooded Italian lover image is really false ( it isn't, been there**, they constantly hit on women) or they are using a whole lot of birth control and not obeying the Pope. .. ** my wife sponsors student trips there and we constantly run those guys off.

I, for one, welcome the continuance of our administrative overlords. I've gotten to know Rick over the years, and I don't think this is just a job for him. I think he's taken on an internal identity as ambassador of North Texas. That goes farther with me than someone padding a resume for the next step up the ladder. Mistakes were made with the football coaching staff, but they were remedied, and two very large steps forward followed. It's gonna keep getting better around here. Now how do I go about getting Rick on speed dial?

Or he read it on the YAC board.

Hall had some of the sickest passes I have seen a UNT player make.

Congrats RV. You deserve it. Our athletic programs are in a perfect position to take the next step forward. Stability is exactly what we need right now. The pieces are in place in all the key areas (pres, AD, coaching).

Confirmed x2. I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.

East MTSU 12-1 23-4 FAU 7-6 11-15 USA 6-7 14-10 WKU 5-8 9-17 FIU 4-9 7-18 Troy 3-10 8-16 West UALR 10-3 13-14 ULL 9-5 15-13 Denver 9-5 19-8 North Texas 8-5 15-11 ASU 5-8 11-17 ULM 1-12 2-24 In 5th place at the moment (last bye). The game on Saturday will be huge.

Not sure what you're trying to say here... If you're saying that C-USA schools earn less than 5 million per year in TV revenue, in 2010 that was true. The C-USA deal with Fox was signed prior to the 2011 season. No matter what the figures are, or how weak the new alliance might or might not be, as long as the Sun Belt brings in zero TV revenue, there is no way in my eyes to justify our existence in this conference. This is where Waters failed the schools in the conference. This realignment stuff is mainly based on one thing- TV revenue.

A Sad Goodbye to Karl Benson & Perhaps the WAC

Congrats, RV! It's very much deserved.

True. I hadn't factored in that many times in the recent future, Texas has already been a cupcake game for OU in the DFW area. Good point. Why run roughshod over two Texas teams around DFW? There's nothing left to prove, I suppose.

Listening to his total press conference. A couple of thing seems to be fairly apparent. One, that the Belt has no intention of broadening the conference footprint and he thinks a regional conference is important. So maybe all these WAC/Belt merger worries will abate. In fact with out saying it, he might has well said that the Belt is going after La Tech. Two: he wants twelve football playing members of the Belt and set up a conference championship situation. The rest of it was predictable, will look for additional Belt bowl and wants to broaden Belt coverage. So at least two football teams will be added to the Belt plus teams to replace any that might leave. So La Tech will be in the Belt if they can't get into CUSA and a number of fc division move ups including the Texas twins will be considered. Another note, he is still the WAC commissioner at this point.

No, just said it should have been. I hope it was!

We have to start winning games against known teams that people care about. Yeah, it would be a million times better if we beat OU instead of an Arizona, but lets be honest with ourselves, that's not happening anytime soon. Getting our butts handed to us by OU in our own stadium while OU fans do their own chants like its a home game will only reinforce the belief that UNT is a bad program. The game being on TV would only make it worse. It's not worth the extra few thousand we'd pick up in ticket sales. We have to pick our battles carefully and playing a national power that's less than 2 hours away is not one we're ready for.

Way to prove you're above all that "liberal headstrong namecalling" BS you just posted in the last page. You're confusing forcing views upon with not giving special privileged to. Who said I did? I believe god is not mentioned in the Constitution (it isn't), and that religion doesn't have a place in public policy decisions. No, I'm quite consistent. I don't want yours, nor anyone else's religious beliefs interfering with the law of the land. You are conflating the two as some sort of government interference when it is not.

We are not ready to host a school like OU. Why would we want to host a school that would probably bring more fans than us and kick our butts? No thanks. Let's start getting the Virginas and Arizonas of the world before we start bringing in the OUs and UTs.

Because all of the OU fans wouldn't have fit into Apogee Stadium. It would look more like a home game to them than for us.

ArkSt Fan, you are a great poster and I enjoy your perspective, but there is no doubt what league would be better for the university's major athletic teams. Ask yourself who the typical ASU fan would want to watch the Red Wolves play in a conference football game--Florida Atlantic or East Carolina, Louisiana-Monroe or Fresno State, Troy or Southern Miss? How about in hoops--Western Kentucky or New Mexico? Middle Tennessee or UAB? Florida International or UNLV? I don't know about Jonesboro, AR, but in our area, in today's world, I can get people to go and watch 0-12 New Mexico come to Apogee while I couldn't get anyone to go watch us play a bowl-eligible Western Kentucky. The reason is that we have UNM fans here in Texas and people know folks connected to New Mexico, not WKU. I know the first thing that will get brought up about playing in the Alliance is our attendance against the old Big West was bad, but that was before we had made any significant upgrades to our program, and more importantly, the Alliance won't contain all of the following schools: NMSU, Utah State, and Idaho, all of which were in the same boat as us back then. I firmly believe that playing a home game against Nevada today would get much more attendance than it did 15 years ago here. Sure, games against Marshall may not increase attendance more than a home game against Troy, but it would compard to a game against Western Kentucky, two teams from the same region of the country. I would be willing to bet that the same things would be true if ASU was able to get into the Alliance. Its a significant step up in the conference ladder chain, long-term. Even if the WAC and SBC combine, which I bet will happen in some fashion, the TV money and name recognition of most of the conference opponents in the Alliance are still much better than the WAC/SBC will ever be. Again, maybe its different in Jonesboro, but selling Western Kentucky, South Alabama, Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana-Monroe, Middle Tennessee, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, and Troy is a tough deal in this metro area. The DFW media literally couldn't care less about those schools, which filters down to the fans.

Translated.