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Also..."vitriol" is a noun and best used as such...and while making it into an adjective is not grammatically incorrect, per se, your usage is rather redundant considering the meaning of vitriol is, more or less, hatred...the word you opted to modify with your cumbersome adjective-ing. My guess is you did so in an effort to appear erudite to us public school folk, but it kinda missed the mark, champ as I suspect you don't frequently work such phrases into your daily vernacular as an accounts manager or manager of accounts or whatever generic title your SMU degree afforded you. "Vitriol of SMU: Why?" or "Why the SMU Vitriol?" would've been much more suitable titles.

Whats with all the Scotty Don't?

OK, let's tell it like it is. TCU will play us sometimes both in football and basketball. TCU, while somewhat monied, never has orchestrated a player payoff scam to the scale of SMU. When we played TCU in Fort Worth, we were not under the gun to sell x number of tickets or face the threat of cancellation of the series. TCU has never asked us to sell x amount of reserved priced tickets and then gone out and given away thousands of tickets to Jack in the Box, etc. In 1984 the SMU ticket manager called us to ask how many season tickets we had sold...I told them around 500...the man laughed and told me they had sold over 3,000 or so and hung up. We have never banned a cheerleading squad from our basketball floor..SMU did just that when we visited Moody in the early 90's. When SMU returned the game in Denton the next year they had the distinction of being the only school whose cheer squad was banned from getting on our floor. Speaking of basketball, it is my understanding that the only holdout for a metroplex early season basketball tournament is SMU. UTA, UNT and TCU seem amiable to the idea. Maybe you are victims of haughty athletic administrators. Also, when we played SMU in Texas Stadium SMU would not sell us a big block of tickets so our fans could sit together...we were spread out throughout the stadium. We returned the favor when SMU came to Denton in '89..not more than 10 SMU tickets together in Fouts for that game. SMU fans cried and cried over that, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Quid pro quo. It doesn't have to be that way, but it was in the past. Just as our people seem to have a bit of a persecution complex, SMU seems to have a preoccupation with self engrandisement.

First off, I'm an SMU alum and this is not a flame thread. My wife is a UNT alum and I've been to the campus several times. I have several friends and family members that have attended UNT and they all have nothing but positive things to say about their experiences in Denton. That said, I started lurking this board around the time that SMU started recruiting Chase Walling and was stunned by the hatred of SMU. I guess the real question is why? We hardly ever play each other in any sport and have absolutely no rivalry whatsoever. I could understand if there was any sort of consistent on-field or on-court rivalry, but that clearly doesn't exist. So I really wonder why so many of you are so consumed with what's going on at SMU. Also, why the hatred for SMU and not TCU. I can understand people that think SMU is a bit of a "pink polo" culture, but have you ever stepped foot on the campus at TCU? It's the EXACT same kind of thing. Yes J.Crew makes purple shirts too only at TCU they throw on a pair of cowboy boots so I guess that makes it okay. Both are small, private schools that have a relatively large student population that come from wealthy families. However, it seems like most UNT fans on this board like TCU and hate SMU. Is this a Dallas-Fort Worth thing? I have a ton of respect for TCU, but be honest. They have their fair share of country club alums just like SMU. For the record, I wish UNT all the best. The new stadium is a real gem and I look forward to making a trip out there in a few years to see the Ponies play. I also look forward to welcoming any of you when you make the return trip to the Hilltop. My family has a tent on The Boulevard and we never turn any fans away regardless of affiliation. I think UNT is on the right track with the new coaching staff and has a chance to vastly improve their lot in conference affiliation here in a few years if you can have a little more success on the field. CUSA was good to us at SMU. It was a marked step up from the WAC days and it provided us the platform to get the attention of the Big East. I would be very happy to see UNT in CUSA as I think they provide a real value to the conference. I also understand hate is what makes college sports great so I take it all with a grain of salt. But I bet if some of you took the time to head over to SMU and see it for what it truly is the stereotypes of the past would melt away. SMU is a top 50 national institution with a 1.3B endowment, a presidential library, a top twenty business school, a top fifty law school, a member of a BCS conference, and has one of the most beautiful campus settings in the entire country. Are there some kids there that are on a four year vacation with daddy's money? You bet. They exist. Guess what? There are some of the same type kids at UNT and every other campus in America. SMU is a much different place in 2012 than it was in 1990. I was the son of two public school teachers in East Texas that was fortunate enough to attend SMU and met several kids at SMU who come from similar backgrounds. Not all of us were born with a silver spoon in our mouths. Lastly, good luck with everything in the future. Again, I think UNT is headed in the right direction and I'm pulling for the Mean Green in every game that doesn't involve the Ponies. Also don't give up on the conference realignment scenarios. Its way too early for that. That story isn't written yet. With a little luck I think UNT will find itself in a very competitive league that dwarfs the Sun Belt. I'll be sure to post here if there are any rumors that invovle UNT in the CUSA-MWC merger talks. Best to all.

Well, having gone to both schools ages ago, I think there is a lot of ignorance expressed on both sides of the SMU/NT almost rivalry. Stereotypes abound on both sides judging by a multitude of posts on message boards. Problem is that I think more than a few actually believe the swill they print, it is not all just silly banter. SMU is populated by a lot of Daddy gave me everything students who have everything handed to them. NT is primarily a much of middle class and lower class people barely getting by, commuting to Denton to get a sub-par education because they can't do better given their intelligence and resources. Both parties are guilty of such foolish thoughts. When it comes to sports, SMU and NT are both easy targets for abuse when you think about it. NT has been relegated primarily to the back of the sport page forever. Playing sub-division 1 football for a big part of it's history and not really being in a Texas based conference in fifty years. SMU on the other hand was a big player in the golden age of college football but has largely been insignificant for decades and is the most penalized with reason program in history. May be the fact that both programs have been close to the bottom for so long, that both look upon the other as one of the few schools they can actually bully. Currently SMU has success in its football program but still can't draw flies and it MBB program still struggles. NT has finally invested in their football program and their MBB team has been the best in the metroplex for years. Both universities are fighting the same battle with frankly scant success, relevance in the metroplex against the power collegian programs and pro sports. Why other than dumb comments do many at NT abhor SMU? The key component has been a very thinly veiled effort by the SMU administration to distance themselves from NT. Not necessarily a bad strategy but it doesn't help relationships. SMU's support of La Tech in the last CUSA expansion is the best example. Backing a relatively small school in Ruston, Louisiana over a much more viable candidate 35 miles off is hard to defend on SMU's part and hard to forget on NT's part. SMU has really upgraded their academic standards and has a very nice campus, although the location is really not the best in my view. NT has likewise significantly improved their academic standards and Denton despite their lack of support for NT is not a bad college town at all. The private versus public college thing will always be there. I think SMU is a good school and is improving but it for me, very difficult to justify on a cost basis. Worked for, with, and employed a lot of SMU and NT grads in the financial/information systems world; and I have failed to see any consistent significant differences in the ability of either. On the athletic front, both schools are moving forward. The Big East may be a big and positive step for SMU. SMU and NT actually play about every sport except footall and MBB. It mades too much sense to not play volleyball, tennis etc. with a competitive school so close. It is only in football and MBB that SMU and NT are not currently playing. Hopefully the football series scheduled will actually be played and basketball will be scheduled. Both teams need fans and those games would be good draws, but neither team's progress is going to depend on playing each other.

I'll join in on this. First off, SMU2006, you seem like a pretty good guy. I suppose time will tell if you post more on this site, but I hope you always feel welcome to do that. Secondly, the conference blackballing is real. The SWC hurts the most because we were very good at the time (ranked in the late 70s with a great coach that you guys discarded in Hayden Fry). To this day, I believe that bothered lots of SMU alums who wanted him fired on the Hilltop and then watched him go up the highway and turn around a program quickly into a big winner, which he couldn't do at SMU. In Texas, if you were SWC, you were gold--still are in some ways. Alas, if you weren't, then you were/are pretty irrelevant to many fans and media. Itsunderstandable--you guys got to host the Longhorns, Razoorbacks, Aggies, Cougars, Bears, etc...when they were ranked programs at the height of the conference's heyday. We got games at home against...West Texas State and others like them. When it became clear that there was no way we would get to join the SWC--unlike Houston just a few years earlier, who would go on to win the SWC many times once they gained membership--Fry bolted to Iowa for better support and opportunities. For Iowa and Hayden Fry, it was a match made in heaven. For us, it led to purgatory, or better yet, college football hell as a i-aa school. To this day, we deal with the acrimony and apathy that i-aa status did for us. Is that SMU's fault? No, but you all made it clear that we wouldn't be allowed in the Texas Big Boys League, which are administration literally took to heart. Decades later, as we finally began to build back up from the ashes, as a severely underfunded college program, SMU was also very down. Skipped over by the Big XII, left for dead in an obscure huge league called the WAC that would soon get pillaged, most on the Hilltop recognized the spiral that was going on was lethal, especially while your biggest rival, TCU, made their way upward by basically getting away from all of its non-BCS Texas rivals, except y'all. In no way, was SMU going to find themselves so low on the totem pole as to be associated in a conference with North Texas. So, as you guys migrated to CUSA from the WAC and we moved from the Big West to the Sun Belt, you all still lorded over us that our conference was a glorified 1-aa league. Fans and media have always looked down on the SBC, in some ways it is clearly understandable. But when CUSA finally had an opening, a chance for us to finally get the opportunity to be associated with other Texas school in a legitimate 1-a conference, where was SMU putting their support? Behind freaking La Tech, a school so small in a market so miniscule that no one would want in a decent league. Of course, UTEP wanted want we did, and they had the advantage of a decent market and a good basketball team to bring to the table, as well as a possible bow tie-in for your league, which still hasn't happened. What about UNT? Well, you kept us from joining a league with any schools within 600 miles of us, where our almuni still don't care about one of those schools, and we dream of getting the chance STILL to be in a conference with other Texas school. So why can't we get into CUSA now? You tell me, because I literally don't know, other than to assume that the membership and leadership have had it made clear to them over the years that we offer nothing. Amazingly, a school with this many students and alumni in the DFW market can't convine anyone in that office that we belong. And for that, I don't blame SMU totally--but I definitely assign much of that blame to the fact that the local DFW media, who still think that the SWC schools are gold, won't even help us get decent coverage here. And for that fact, us not being able to ever get into the Big Boys Club, I blame entirely on SMU. We could easily be like Houston or even Texas Tech now if we had anyone go to bat for us against you guys. Unfortunately, that never happened. And, by the way, I thoroughly expect you guys to buy out of our series if we get decent in a few years and y'all fall back. Money always win in this stuff. Y'all have it, we don't.

Not having baseball is about as significant as not having women's bowling when it comes to realignment. Trust me that will not be the reason should UNT get left out. I'd say that UNT is certainly in the mix. It just depends on how many teams CUSA wants to add (if any). La Tech, UTSA, Texas State, UNT, Arkansas State, FIU, FAU, UL-Lafayette are all possibilities. I'm sure the AD at UNT has his ear to the ground on this situation.

Bought my two from the UNT Ticket Office last week...$90/each! Seems like a decent deal to me given I'll be watching both the UNT men and women and perhaps a few other games as well. See you in Hot Springs!

This is not going to turn out well.

I think you'll find that the old folks on here dislike SMU because they were instrumental in keeping UNT out of the old Southwest Conference a long time ago, thus relegating us to insignificance for years and eventually a trip to D-IAA for a short time. This hatred is deep and immovable. I think you'll find that the young folks on here dislike SMU for a myriad of insignificant reasons... But just about all of us dislike SMU for the superiority complex that many SMU fans/alums have towards UNT fans/alums. You sir, sound like the exception to this rule. Thanks for stopping by.

High School : Kennedale (TX) AAU : DJH5 Rivals : 4 stars ESPN : # 19 ranked PG for 2014. Robinson is a very skilled and complete point guard that does a good job of running his team. He has good size and length and his feel for the game is at a high level as well. In a recent interview with a recruiting analyst , Robinson list UNT as 1 of 12 teams he was considering. Others included : Baylor,Arizona,OK St , Houtson,Kansas,OU,UT,SMU,a&m,Texas Tech & SMU Recently went on a unofficial to UT Rivals confirms offers from : Baylor,Houston,UNT,SMU,TCU,a&m,Tech Video from Ballislife : http://ballislife.com/61-alex-robinson-djh5-destroying-the-game-ranked-pg-in-class-of-2014/

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And your ultimate punishment is that you are now in a BCS conference, while we (who always followed the rules) are begging for leftovers. Do I understand that life isn't fair....absolutely. Do I resent having that fact of life shoved in our face every time we read about SMU moving up....yet again......absolutely. So, here's my question for you. Why the hell do you care about our dislike of SMU?

I have several connections to your school, including a grandfather graduate, and I've known several attorneys who have less than stellar things to say about your graduates. Same thing goes for business, so I think that you are inflating things a bit based on the not exactly unbiased Eastern press, and the "propaganda" thrown around campus. I'm not a major smu hater, and I do agree that your academics have improved greatly over the last couple of decades, but you ain't Harvard and likely never will be. Btw, will you ever schedule us in basketball? I hear there is an abandoned Safeway parking lot somewhere just off Mockingbird if you all won't schedule us the normal way. BOL.

I dunno, man.

Sock puppet alert?

Pretty sure the Longhorns are glad they did not stop recruiting QB's once they had Garrett Gilbert and pretty sure the Mustangs are glad they did not stop recruiting QB's once they had Kyle Padron...Any time you can add a quality player, especially at QB, you do it. We have rarely if ever had the "good problem" of having too many signal callers.

I am trying to keep my excitement in check and to a low ebb over this possibility but... Scotty, you will not find any school out there where you would be more appreciated than at the University of North Texas as we would all look forward to seeing a favorite son of Denton tossing those highly accurate 'taters for TD's at our Apogee Stadium! OK, I took the meds and I'm fine now. GMG!

My offer to Spray paint the bathroom stalls the correct shade of green still stands....

15-10? I hope he knows something we don't!

Just commenting that the entire article was quotes from Dad, nothing more. I'll feel a lot better when he is seen on UNT campus.

The answer is DUH! We have DT who would be a Senior in 2013 before S.Y. would be eligible. S. Young would have to sit out the 2012 season but would have 2 years left as a Junior (RS). Young used his red shirt his freshman year at Tech so that would not be available for him here. We never had a 2nd string QB this year, we all know that. Cooper Jones will get his shot and we will see if the others woke up the morning of the spring game and learned how to play QB. D.T. is a good QB yes but why not have a Scotty Young who could finally get Denton off their arses at home and into Appogee?!? This works out perfect, it gives Scotty a chance to: -learn Chico's offense for his year he has to sit out and adjust to the new campus -play at home in front of his family and friends -FINALLY get some support we desperately need from the near 100,000 of the Denton community. -Get some interest from the Denton HS players. Showing that it is a great opportunity to stay in town at a magnificent University in your own backyard and the opportunity to play in one of the best stadiums in the country. This would make us feel very comfortable knowing in 2013 we have a DT as a senior and a Scotty Young going head to head for the starting position.

Yes. 1000 times yes. You want as many good players as you can get. Competition only makes everyone better. DT has also shown to be a bit injury prone, so having another good QB on the roster only helps. What also gives me hope is that Young was buried on Tuberville's roster. If there is one Big 12 head coach I don't trust to evaluate talent, it's Tommy T. Could Young stil register late for this semester?

Well, as the Beatles wrote in "She Came in Through the Bathroom Window"... Oh yeah.

Please yes

I really don't want to wait that long.

So we will have to go to WKU twice?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Kaydon-Kirby-125486 6'3", 285 lb Center Kaydon Kirby is listed as a commitment, but not signed, in the Lewisville/FM section of the DMN today. Not ranked. GMG

What's the goal of this? Are we all going to hang out? Will Thad make a movie about it?

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It's funny because if you used Rick's argument but replaced "pitbulls" with "guns", he'd flat flip out, and so would most of this board.

Lets not pretend this is limited to just the message board culture. Anyways, good luck to you. Maybe we can all share a beer and a cocktail prior to the games when they pick up in 2014.

SHOSS, Maybe its a message board thing then? I've been on ponyfans for several years and yeah there are those that poke fun at UNT, but I stick to the SMU Rivals site. Posters are much more mature and the information is obviously a lot better.

I've been on campus at SMU quite a bit as I dated an SMU girl while I was at UNT. The campus is nice. One of the nicest in the country? I don't know. There are a ton of campuses out there. If you truley are interested in why some of us(including myself) harbor such hatred, just read ponyfans.com. You could even search UNT or NTSU or NTSTC in either the football or recruiting forums... It will only take you about 5 minutes to see why UNT'ers hate SMU. If you wanted to read into the history behind some of the public commentary from the SMU brass back when NTSU was making a push for joining the SWC, it is out there. I'm sure one of our members could provide you a link to a newspaper article or some such... The rumors about us not getting into CUSA, well, I have no idea if there is any truth to it. It is a running joke on ponyfans.com though. Again, just read that site for a few minutes. All your answers are there.

SMU sucks. That is all.

three hardest words i learned in business were "maybe you're right". i really hope so, as this would open up another slot in CUSA.

East Southern Miss Marshall East Carolina UAB UCF (Big East) Memphis(Big East) WEST Houston (Big East) Tulsa Southern Methodist (Big East) Rice UTEP Tulane So with this happening, it seems like CUSA MUST take care of themselves first before trying to rely on a merger. You would think now with just 8 teams they have to sign another team or be in jeopardy of losing the league. I hope that RV is sending some chocolates and roses right now to a special someone at CUSA headquarters. Add North Texas to the East. Add FIU to the West. Decide on whether you can get Temple to the CUSA East. If not, add FAU and/or MTSU to the East add UTSA and/or Texas State-SM to the West

I agree with that. In what you are describing, unfortunately it is a "tombstone" law. The action has to happen before the consequence. The dog has to attack someone before the law says to euthanize it. The law is not “kill all dogs that potentially can attack people.” But that is not the case in this story. In the original story from Google, someone is randomly killing pit bull dogs for no reason. That is cruelty and whoever is doing that needs to go to jail.

Yeah, he may get a few touches. I think Cam Washington's our future RB for the next four years though. Anyway, I'll let you folks get back to it. Good luck next year.

Wow...such vitriol in your response. Maybe this guy has a point.

Better get your popcorn ready.

Quit being so opprobrious.

Can you be an NFL QB after playing in the SBC? Stan Humphries, Rusty Smith, Bubby Brister, and Jake Delhomme say "Yes."

RPI's after this weekend. 45 MTSU 88 Denver 152 ULL 180 UALR 169 USA 175 FAU 199 North Texas 219 FIU 234 ASU 245 WKU 269 Troy 327 ULM

It's just a reflection of the rest of our society. Dec 21, 2012 can't get here soon enough.

Suck on that, Mayan Calendar.

Do you seriously believe what you type? I wonder. The Senate hasn't passed a budget in 1000 days. The branch of congress that won't pass anything for the President to sign or veto is the democratically controlled senate. The House passes stuff virtually daily in session, bills of all sort, and they all end up in never-never land with Reid running things on the Senate. Debt got out of control because of a TAX CUT?!?! The tax rate doesn't create debt. Spending in excess of our revenue is what causes debt. ...and the debt went up 4.6 Trillion under 8 years of Bush (where we had 9/11 and fought two wars), and has since gone 3.5 trillion in 3 years under Obama, even as we've spent far less on the wars overseas since he took office vs. Bush. Then look at deficits by year and you'll find a MAJOR spike in deficits after the 2006 election, particularly in 2008. Consider the fact that Congress has more to do with spending and you draw your own conclusions. We can fix this problem tomorrow. You want compromise, call leaders of both parties, tell them to return to 2008 spending, eliminate baseline budgeting and cut 1% of spending for the next 5 years. Balanced budget in 5 years with that plan. ...and it's not like we weren't spending a metric sh!t-ton of money in 2008. You're right in saying both parties got us here, but it happened because Bush was not a conservative President, and Congress under Republican control during the 2000's was not in the least bit fiscal conservative - they lost that banner when they chased Newt off of capital hill. ...they have been Democrat lite since, spending like drunken sailors. Time to get serious. We need SOLID CONSERVATIVE RESTRAINED FISCAL POLICY and we need to STOP SPENDING money we don't have. This President certainly won't do it. This Congress is impotent as it's deadlocked, so they can't do it. We need a major overhaul to our fiscal system or its going to be too late.

I wouldn't ezzactly call MSNBC balanced.

Thanks, harry...I've got you down. Also wanted to point out the METZLER'S BBQ logo on the page...ad banner thingy...Roy Metzler, with Metzler's BBQ has again agreed to be one of our sponsors. We will, as we did last year, hold our after event "gathering" at Metzler's BBQ on Londonderry lane just off Teasley in Denton. Good cold beer and great BBQ...so make plans to head over to Metzler's again this year after the event...we will conclude our silent auction bidding at that time as well. Really appreciate Roy Metzler and Metzler's BBQ for stepping up to help once again this year. Roy is a great supporter of UNT and UNT Athletics. Stop by Metzler's when you have a chance and have a bite and a drink to support a great local restaurant and a great member of the Mean Green Nation...thanks so much Roy and Metzler's BBQ!