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Nope...having much more fun my way now...I was drawn offside by the hard count...was unaware it was possible for someone to be so wrong, so revisionist...nay, so apologist-ic...and still believe so solemnly that they're right, citing the internet as their source of knowledge. You're beyond the point of engaging in an actual scholarly, intelligent or even coherent discussion...it's as if within this one thread you've managed to excede...become a charactcerture even of the ridiculous person so many on here, myself included, feel you are. So no, I'm going back to assuming everything you write is satirical...it's the only interpretation one can make that doesn't leave one assuming you need a live-in hospice work to assist with putting on your pants in the morning.

Don't you even think about buying a #5 jersey.

I think everyone in this thread needs to fire up the internet and do some more research.

DC dismissal was due to poor personal choices after multiple chances, not grades. First Summer semester ends next week. Incoming Freshman will ALL, to my knowledge, be attending the next summer session. I believe this will allow them to start working out as part of the summer program and get almost a month of conditioning under their belt before two-a-days start.

I'm blaming all of the people who wanted something else to talk about besides helmets, logos, color of green, the band etc.

Regardless of the arguments of what the flag stands for, who was fighting for what reasons.... Why would anyone want to be associated with these dipshits?

Absolutely...I think I said the "root cause" or some-such wording...but that was in response to the people who try to create a whole laundry list of causes to supersede slavery, or, as ee has done so satirically (hilarious stuff, BTW) to attempt to lessen or downplay the significance of the slavery issue. I, and a large number of respected Civil War historians, believe that the slavery issue was the elephant in the room that fired on Ft. Sumter. All other issues (state's rights, economics, demographics, cultural differences, etc) are either secondary or have the common thread of slavery woven throughout.

If you know anything about the internet, you know that a simple search won't do all of the filtering through conjecture, opinions, and lack of recordkeeping to find what you want, especially when it refers to history that is hundreds of years old. So about your sources: Either put up or shut up. I can sit here and say all sorts of junk about the Civil War and say "durrhurr, look it up." That means nothing without actually citing something, and since what you're putting up has some iffy statements, the burden of proof is on you. Also, CBL: slavery is A cause, but not THE cause. Especially when many in the northern US didn't much care about abolition or were against it, or just didn't care. Don't forget how long it took for abolition to occur, and then how long it took for the US Army to create units composed of former slaves.

Which is why the defense needs to earn a nickname. Stop worrying about a nickname and stop somebody.

Glad to see ol' Green Bat is his usual surly self.

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I love the way Lance runs, but this guy needs to say whatever way the O-Line goes, so goes Lance. Lance at the end of last year was running thru truck sized holes lead by some of these same linemen. I think Simmons is the key to putting up numbers next year. He's the one that will elevate this O-line unit, much like Lefty did. If McCarney and the D coaching staff can bring the D up to snuff, we'll win games.

We really need a jersey with interchangeable numbers, so that way when 12 of our players get hurt like last year we can just simply change the number.

I stand behind Coach Mac.

Hey...we do have that former 3-star tight end now, Andrew Powers. Looks like it'll be go time for him from Game 1! Tight ends...in courting, marriage, and football, they're important. Another note: Doesn't it seem crazy that with all the hoopla surround Todd Dodge after his hire that the positions we're now thin at are QB and WR? Crazy, man. Well, all kidding aside, it's good to see legitimate tight ends on the roster. The kid from Mansfield who switched his commitment from Tulsa to us just a few days before signing day, Chaz Sampson, will have a chance to show his stuff early. He was listed at 6-5 on recruiting site, so he's probably 6-3. Good size. Let's hope he can really catch. According to online roster, our other choices of receiver in 2011: 84 Brown, Greg 6-1 232 Sr. Grand Prairie, TX (Grand Prairie HS) 81 Bynes, Christopher 6-1 220 RJr. Lauderdale Lakes, FL (Coffeyville CC) 80 Chancellor, Brelan 5-9 168 So. Copperas Cove, TX (Copperas Cove HS) 17 Johnson, Breece 6-1 187 Sr. Colleyville, TX (Heritage HS) 23 Marshall, Mike 6-0 195 Fr. Grand Prairie, TX (South Grand Prairie HS) 27 Schutza, Casey 5-10 170 Jr. Euless, TX (Trinity HS) 14 Stradford, Tyler 6-2 185 Sr. New Orleans, LA (Oklahoma) 3 Taylor, Willie 5-10 181 Jr. Dallas, TX (Hillcrest)

Do you just not like Brett Osborn? Or, did you just forget we brought him in? He's challenging for the starting job, and if he's not the starter will certainly be the backup.

I think the debate was more about billboards for billboards sake. Like most of the stuff debated here, they're a tactic, not a sole means to an end. Seeing the ad, Pr and marketing efforts all supporting one unified message (stadium/football/McCarney) has been pretty cool and new for us.

both houston and tulsa were ranked in top 25 in recent poll i saw.think tulsa was 25 and houston 19 or so. throw in bama, and we have a tough ocs.

Where did he really attack your family? You brought your family into the discussion, and then he said if your son believes the crazy nebulously cited "internet history", then he would also be wrong. I don't consider it attack on someone to say they are wrong, maybe some with a "revisionist" view of the word attack may think otherwise.

If you're not going to answer the questions from other people asking you to list sources besides the nebulous internet, aren't you just as guilty of grandstanding/obstructing the issue/being insane? You cant write a term paper and cite the library (and if you can, I'm kind of pissed to just be learning this now.) We're just notseeing what you are... To paraphrase the great SilverEagle, you're getting out-talked.

Color scheme or GTFO.

The last game that Todd Dodge coached, I sat at home listening on the radio and worked my way through a 6-pack of Dogfish Head 60-minute (the 90 and 120 weren't available at Albertson's). Son, let me tell you. Six of those bad boys, and I had no idea if the team won, lost, drew, or ran for the hills in search of a different shade of green. As for a favorite beer, I'm really partial to Anchor Steam because it was the first "real" beer I cut my teeth on when I was...21. yeaaah. I was 21 when I learned to drink that stuff.

Welp, looks like your kid is wrong too...a whole flock of misguided and confused eulesseagles. And in case you missed it...this was my area of study...and I've had the advantage of studying and researching it in both the North and the South so I've a rather diverse base of knowledge on the topic. More than you can get from a quick google search on the interwebz. So, no, I don't need to "look it up on the computer."

MarKeith Knowlton

Hope all are doing well...I've been busy. Hope to see all on September 10'th! Kindest regards, PMG www.soundworksdeejay.com Go Mean Green !

No, I didn't forget that we brought him in. Lets just say that I wasn't all that impressed. But keep in mind that I look at players, especially QB's, a bit differently than other people. To me size and strong arms and speed are fine (Osborn has a very strong arm and throws a very tight spiral and he has serviceable speed), but I've always paid more attention to their "intangibles". To me, how they run things, and how much they seem "in charge", and how much they don't panic under pressure, are more important. So, for me, it's mostly watching body language. For instance. My top "body language" QB's in North Texas history. Jordan Case (78-79 season). He had a great arm, he was a shifty runner, but (IMHO) he was one of the most fearless and unflappable QB's in NT history. There could be large bodies flying all around him during a pass play and he would be totally oblivious of it except to (without looking around) just move a little here or there to get out of the way, all the time being totally focused on getting the pass off. During the 78 Texas game the pass protection finally collapsed around him and just as he was about to be buried by the Texas defense, the ball came shooting out (I couldn't see Case) and a completion was made to Charles Murray. THAT is concentration and confidence in what you are doing. Scott Hall, See above, only Scott was a little faster and his arm was a little stronger, but his passes weren't quite as precise. And he would take off a little sooner under pressure. But then, Scott Hall didn't have Hayden Fry to coach him either. (tie) Scott Davis, Mitch Maher. Both had great arms (Davis' was stronger) and both were supremely confident out on the field. Joe Stevenson (1980)spent most of his career backing up Jordan Case, but when he stepped in for Case there was NO letdown in leadership....or talent for that matter. He had a great arm and he was a good runner. When he stepped out on the field.....he was in charge. I don't know what his career numbers were, but in about 14 starts he had five 200 yard passing games. IMHO Joe Stevenson was the best QB of color at North Texas. Greg Carter, small (5'9-5'10) good arm and good speed. Very confident leader. So based on MY way of evaluating QB's our current group would go this way.... Thompson Baine (only because he's a little more athletic and has much more game experience than Dodson) Dodson Osborn

Eternal Optmist: FIU has no idea who to stop other than Lance. They'll spend the first half trying to figure out who these new guys are. We go as Lance goes. It's only a devastating loss if someone fails to step up in his absence. If guys seize the moment, we'll be talking about how little we missed our leading returning receiving threat.

I didn't see this posted, so here is the link to this morning's DR-C story on Kendall: http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/dws/drc/sports/college/stories/DRC_UNT_recruit_0630.40cd710c0.html

Any idea how much we'll be working out of a 4-wide set this season? I don't recall how much we did during the spring game, but it seems that Coach Chico still liked to use 4 WRs a good amount of the time even after Coach Dodge left. The difference between 3-wide and 4-wide sets is obviously pretty huge when it comes to WR depth.

He got kicked-off of the team during the off-season? That's like getting fired on your day off!

I guess we are a running team then?

I love the ambition, but focusing our limited advertising resources in D/FW makes the most strategic sense. The billboards in D/FW could put butts in seats, immediately. A billboard in Houston or El Paso might not generate a single return. I agree that more exposure for the brand is necessary on a regional level, which could be better organized and executed via Google or Facebook advertising, but is ultimately achieved by success on that level. The billboards are specifically put up to try and garner attention for the football team, our new stadium and the new experience therein. Trying to get folks from other cities to buy into that, when each has their own local experience to offer, is a tough sell. Even 3 hours away in Houston. And why we would focus on Amarillo at all? There's as many people in Lewisville, Flower Mound and Highland Village, and those are just 3 suburbs of the Metroplex. You want even more recognition on a regional level, beat the teams that reside in each of the major cities you listed, except Amarillo of course. I like the billboards, think they're a great way to reconnect with the 75,000+ alumni in the D/FW area and it seems they're not just peppering, but saturating the market, which will put fans in the seat and generate new interest in our new experience. We're the 3rd largest school in the state and arguably the most affordable. I think you overestimate how many people have barley heard of us. Kudos to the AD or whoever's responsible for the billboard campaign, I think it's well done.

Perhaps most importantly he is taking care of business in the classroom. As long as that continues his leaving early for the NBA (if/when that happens) will not hurt us on the APR score. I love seeing a guy buckle down and get the work done instead of sitting around crying about how life dealt him a tough hand. Tony got hosed, but hasn't let it get to him. I can't wait to see him in green this winter!

I do not know if he will be an impact player this year, but I am looking for big things out of Derek Akunne, LB from Garland. He has the size and speed DMac is looking for.

Interesting article, and it sounds good to me, except that I've been thinking that our DB's are going to be one of the strong points of our defense this year. Also, I figure the Cougars are going to be pretty strong this year, but to say that they might go undefeated sounds like a bit of a stretch to me. Of course I can throw out a dozen or so "ifs" in relation to our performance this year, but If McCarney can work that magic with the DL this year I'm looking for a surprisingly good defensive unit. Two months and counting.

On offense the obvious choice is Mr. Dunbar, so I am going to choose a player that I believe can really impact the offense in a real big way with the strong armed Thompson throwing the ball around, and that is one Tyler Stradford. I am really hoping for him to have a real big year with us now having a QB that can get the ball down the field to him. I think he is going to live up to the hype this season. On defense, I am looking not for one player, but a unit, and that unit is the secondary. I am hoping if Cook and Ford come in healthy, with Hil locking down one side, and moving McCord as your 3rd corner, we may really have something...looking forward to seeing what this unit can put together if healthy. And in my odd pick category...the kicker...I am looking forward to seeing what type of impact we see from the young kicker Olen. He has his legs under him and we have him for a whole season. The kicking has been so horrible since Bazldua left, I am looking forward to what he can do with such a strong leg in those close games we are sure to see!

---hahahahaha .... reminds me of the parent that keeps giving his kid just one more chance...

It seems to me that NT has used that last scholarship multiple times. Looks like a good pick-up, I hope NT uses that last ship a few more times.

--- Just my opinion , but if the South had won... I think that Texas would have split off eventually.... Not a lot similarities with the other southern states and not a huge slave population. I doubt that they would have agreed with Richmond or others trying to tell us what to do. There were a lot of people in Texas that did not support it--- recent immigrants, and even Sam Houston. The Denton, Sherman, north Texas area had a lot Southern deserters and dissidents.... so many that Southern army personal would not try to catch them.... outnumbered. There was even a battle near ?Kerrville? between Rebel forces and German settlers who would not join the Confederate army. --- I am very Southern (especially Texan).... and I think the Southern army was better but just had less resources..... but I am glad we didn't win because America would not be what it is today. I agree with what my father always said... it was "a rich man's (slave-owners) war but the poor man's fight". Most in the South did not own slaves (85-90%) but they fought because it was their home were not very fond of those arrogant funny talking people from the north [much more regional accents than today with mass communications] . Some up there still think they are better, smarter, etc. than "those southern hicks". ---Those who claim it was about state rights are trying to gloss over the real reason...slavery... no doubt there were other issues but slavery and the economic system it supported was #1. The war started after Lincoln was elected but had not been inaugurated.... it was no secret he opposed slavery.... and they feared what would happen.

meaning no disrespect (meme alert!), the last time you pointed us to internet references, it did not end well for anyone, especially Chone Figgins or even the well-educated Phil and Joe Niekro.

Sally Struthers

there is no, what you call bullshit, in any of the statements you disagree with. if you have problems with any of the statements then you need to take some time and look it up because i have. Besides this is "very" basic information and common knowledge.

Look, we went to school at North Texas. Some of us to NTSU, some to UNT; but, still, North Texas. Now, the arguments for and against Darrell Dickey are stupid and pointless. He did a better job than anyone post-Return To D-IA Era. That cannot be questioned. The problem with us is that our administration cared so little about athletics that it shuttled us down to I-AA right after some very successful years with Mitchell and Fry. They just didn't give a damn about it. Once we rehatched, the D-IA college football world was completely difference. The OU/Georgia lawsuit giving schools the rights to pursue television deals outside the NCAA's reach had occurred. The conferences followed suit. Soon, it became a money-making proposition to the bigger schools. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we were playing Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin, ans Southwest Texas State - nowhere close to the reality of what was happening in college football. So, Matt Simon get dumped right in the middle of it in 1995, one year after replacing a high school coach. Program all over the land were already in the midst of multimillion dollar expansions of their football programs. Us? We were playing in a glorified high school stadium. Simon is tossed in favor of Dickey. Dickey had the same lack of resources Simon did. Somehow, he scratched together a set of teams in the early 2000s that succeeded in spite of it. But, it couldn't last forever. There just wasn't anything to offer. People talk Boise, South Florida, Connecticut, etc., etc. Well, the got multimillion dollar commitments for their programs with school administrators on board working in tandem with the private sector grads and their athletic departments. We just didn't have it. Simon didn't have it. Dickey didn't have it. I respect Darrell Dickey for what he gave us, working with what he had. It doesn't matter to me that no one else made him a head coach. He's been employed ever since he was booted from here. Todd Dodge was completely unprepared. It wasn't totally his fault. We just didn't have the scratch at the time to go out and get a real coach. He was Fool's Gold to many...and, he's in a better place now for him. What we have now is an opportunity. We now have the better facilities that everyone else was making 20 years ago. We are paying assistants more than ever. We have great athletic facilities and an administration that is more sympathetic to the cause than any in the past. The only thing left to do is win. We have no more excuses. I won't excuse it. We've been given what we asked for - what Simon, Dickey, and Dodge lacked when UNT returned to Big Boy Play: A real stadium, real coaches, and real support. There are no more excuses. We have now all the things in place we groused about - even green helmets. The only thing, really, that prevents this battle station from being fully operational now is the "UNT logo on the green helmets. But, we can still blow up Princess Leia's planet anyway without it. KA-POW!

The issue is the fact that the state of Texas really does not want any "independent" institutions. There has been talk for years to merge Midwestern Stat University with UNT - which I do think is going to happen in the near future. The thing with TWU is, they do have other campuses, but are not being allowed to be called an offical system. The word on the street is, that is they were to have to merge with another system - that TAMU would want to merge (which they have tried to do before). But I don't think that would really fly. I either see them merging with us down the road.

I'll bet Tony see's more than 1 semester of BB with UNT. His mother lives in Dallas and I'm sure she'd like to see her son stay in college a little more than 1 semester. Based on Tony's grades he's not stupid as some have speculated, hence their worry about Tony making his grades. Most students get pushed out of college because they're not smart enough to get good grades, or they don't have good time management skills, and that affects their grades in the long run. Since Tony was able to show up at the rec. consistently and make a 3.2 to 3.5 GPA he might have a brighter college future academically and on the court than many believe. The NBA will always have money to throw Mr. Mitchell's direction. More money than I'll ever make, so what's a few years in college for Tony to improve his BB skills. JJ and staff have done a great job making average player better. It will be interesting to see how much they can teach one of the, if not, the most gifted and talented player to ever step on UNT's campus.

it wouldn't, necessarily. but believe or not, preparing RTVF students for careers in broadcasting isn't the sole function of a college radio station. if that was all they were concerned with why bother even having one at all? they can just get graded on recordings they make of themselves in a mock studio. you're the second person to compare some periodical (i.e. national enquirer, people magazine, etc.) to rock/rhythm and blues in an analogy. i think you're missing my point completely. first of all, i don't know how it was for you when you went to UNT, but when i did the faculty was kind enough to actually teach me that there's a difference between literature and journalism. reading people magazine in english lit wouldn't make any sense, but neither would it to read hemingway in a journalism class. as an aside in defense of journalistic periodicals: ANY historian would tell you that if you really want to learn about what regular life was like in, say, the 1860s for example, you would read the newspapers and magazines of the day LONG before you'd pick up a book written in the same time. my point is that it's same sad reduction you make of journalism when compared to literature as you do rock/rhythm and blues when compared to jazz or classical music. i'm also always a little bemused and amused by this prevailing notion in some people that "more complex=better, simple=bad". if it's so easy, why doesn't everyone do it? you make rock n' roll sound like blinking or something. the fact of the matter is, in 500 years, rock/rhythm and blues is going to be just as valid in the minds of music historians as classical and jazz. in 500 years from now it'll all be thought of as antiquated forms of music. but you tell me, if you were going to really try to learn about the life struggles of common people in history through music, which would you listen to, a folk song, or frederick chopin? keep in mind, folk music and spirituals were the rock/pop (what you would've probably turned your nose up at) of the 19th century. i rest my case.

And does anyone think that if the "powers that be" on both sides had said.. "Hey lets go to war, and potentially die on the battlefield, to free the slaves....OR so that rich land owners could keep their slaves"....there would be near as many troops out there fighting on both sides?

Thats the great thing about history. There is so much gray area open to interpretation. You have your opinions and I have mine.

No Beer. Anything made by Crown Royal.

80% of all billboards are unreadable...sadly, this one joins the ranks of the 80 percentile. Way too busy to absorb while driving.