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My personal views, no...I skew quite left. However, I also recognize that the only way things could actually get done is through the art of compromise and that the inflammatory rhetoric from both sides is ridiculous...and has turned what was an active political mind 5-10 years ago into one who looks very apathetically upon today's landscape...short of the humor of the hyperbole and the occasional stirring of a hornet's nest or two around here.

The report will tell us things we don't already know....you know, like we need to win more football games, need a bigger fan base, winning more football games will help to build a bigger fan base, new stadium may help us in recruiting (recruits would rather play in a fancy new stadium as opposed to one like Fouts...I did not know that), etc. There...don't you feel better informed now??

I have been archiving University events as of late. Here is some footage from the Rice game. This will be multi-use footage so there isn't much from the game. Plus I don't have a lens that can capture the feeling of being on the field. Click Here for Video

I wouldn't want anything but a proven name, Blinn is a Junior College. So no to Brad unless he is an assistant coach of some kind. I don't like his Dad either, and I think his reputation in Texas is shot.

I am not quite sure you really know what you are talking about here.

I wasn't here for the Dickey Days...but from everything i understand the program is much much better overall then it has been in years....the only thing missing is the transfomation of the Win/Loss record....Dodge may not be the guy to get us the wins but i do think we owe him a debt of graditude for cleaning up this program and energizing the fan base....now lets get a big name coach, win some games...and put us on the national map with a great team and great stadium....its all good and all green! Some come and Some go..... But North Texas is forever! Go Mean Green!

Seriously? Bobby Hauck coached all over the west. Positional duties at UCLA, Colorado, Washington... Then he was the head coach at Montana for 7 years, and every single year they made the D-1AA playoffs. Three times in the national championship game, all losses in the final. Average final record for Montana during his tenure: 11-2. And Hauck was willing to take a 3 year contract, and he settled for a base salary of $350k. So UNLV got a guy who has been all over their region, building recruiting ties, with an amazing track record at the 1-AA level, who was willing to take a contract that, even if he maxes out his incentives, will only pay $500k (the lowest in all of the MWC). Meanwhile, the last time Franchione coached anywhere west of Fort Worth was 13 years ago. I don't blame them for making the decision they did, and I don't think it reflects poorly on Franchione. As for Hoke, he took over a Ball State team that doesn't even have an Athletics Center or dedicated offices for assistant coaches. Hoke took them to 2 of the 5 bowl appearances in school history. SDSU hired him over Fran at a time when he had just led Ball State to a 12-0 record and a #12 ranking. I don't know if there was a hotter prospect in the college coaching universe at the time when SDSU threw money at Hoke and lured him away from Ball State before the team even finished the season. I don't think that losing out on a job to Hoke in early December of 2008 reflects poorly on Franchione at all.

Full contact Jousting

Lingerie Bowl title game

This fan base is not "eroding". There is more interest in this football program than ever before. Other events besides the games have record attendance. For example, the presentation about recruiting in February was standing room only at the Pourhouse, the Don January Classic had a record number of players in a down economy, and the MGC has increased in membership. I see the same faces in the parking lot tailgating, and from the posts on the board, I have not seen one say they would not be at the Oct. 2 game. There has never been as much energy, though some of it is anger, in all the years of UNT football as there is right now. The spirit of the Mean Green Nation is definitely growing.

Uhhh . . . When did you start considering yourself "moderate"?

Yeah, but Stalin only won Lenin's recruits, so we know he wouldn't do that here.

"A rally for those too busy to go to rallys"? Kind of an oxymoron, don't you think? Meh.. I gotta work that day. Just like I had to work the during Beck and Sharpton's deal. I'll pass. Plus, Jon Stewart is freaking annoying.

Crap, if I finally got out of the hell hole that is Odessa, I wouldn't want to go back there, either. Guess you missed the stories about he and Laura greeting the troups returning home at DFW and the story about he and Laura driving down to Fort Hood the day after the shooting to visit the wounded. Many BS stories going around bout this second visit, so here is a Snopes link for the real deal. And amazingly enough, all those hateful stories about Pres Obama's visit are false, also (no surprise). I think GWB refers to Midland as the place where he cut his teeth in the oil business more than his hometown, but I could be wrong.

not for me. while wins are certainly important, we need our student athletics to graduate, and a staff that represents the university well. we can have both. we just haven't yet.

Yes, the WAC with more Texas schools would be more interesting but it has to be the right Texas schools. Those are FBS schools, not FCS move ups. We were playing at the University level in the NCAA before they called it Division 1 or 1A. As for travel, for everything other than football, it is much cheaper and easier to get to Miami in Florida than than USU or Idaho. Last time I looked it took not one but two plane changes to get from Dallas to Moscow or Logan. And for charters, I'm told the Moscow airport requites planes to take off and fly to Boise to get a full load of fuel before continuing although this might have changed since the Big West days. Nothing compares to the price of getting a team to Hawaii but I think Hawaii helps subsidize those trips. As for perception, it is not unusual for WAC games to not even be listing in the Dallas Morning News on Sunday morning and the Cowboys push out all college coverage on Monday. By Tuesday, the news is so old it isn't printed. TV gives the WAC even less coverage. That is a big reason TCU, SMU, Rice and Tulsa all left the WAC when they did. The WAC-lite will get even less coverage as the sports writers and editors locally were most impressed with Boise, then Fresno, Nevada and Hawaii. Yes, the WAC will always have a spot on ESPN. But we are in the Central Time Zone and few stay up to watch games that start at 9pm or later after watching games all day. Gaining more fans and viewers for UNT who live in California really doesn't do us any good here in North Texas. If we were the University of Northern New Mexico joining the WAC would have been a no brainer. But we are the University of North Texas.

I'll repeat the "not trying to sound rude or unpleasant" sentiment. But, to make the answer as obvious as it ought to be, I'll respond in the form of a question: North Texas declined the WAC 6 years ago, when it had Boise State, Nevada, and Fresno State as stable members. North Texas ignored a standing invite from Karl Benson for all the years in-between. North Texas made it so clear that there was no interest in moving to the WAC when Boise State announced a move to the MWC that Karl Benson didn't even bother making another formal pitch to try and lure us in. Now, with the WAC on the verge of complete collapse and fishing for unprepared 1-AA schools and/or teams that have never even played a down of NCAA football at ANY level... With Boise, Nevada, and Fresno State gone... Why would North Texas decide to make a move to the WAC now?

Or her adams apple.

regardless of won-loss record, is our football program better off now that it was under dickey?

Bring them both in. Fran will build this program back up to respectability. Fran still has come years to coach but he won't coach another 10-15 years by any stretch of the imagination. If his son is the real deal then he can take over his dads job. As far as his reputation shot in Texas...from a big school standpoint maybe so but he recruited some great athletes at A&M. It didn't translate to wins as they hoped but they have been in a funk for a decade now and many will say that Mike Sherman isn't the answer for the future. Bring in Franchione and you have instant credibility, brand new stadium, energized alumni/fan base, energized student body. I don't think there is anything failed in this proposition.

Look...he ain't going back to high school. The guy has something in the bag. But, there have been many coaches who were great position coaches or coordinators who couldn't run the whole show. Running the whole show at this level is a completely different ball of wax. Dodge just can't do it. It sucks for us that our school had to be the proving ground, but I can't think of a regional school that wouldn't hire him. In fact, I'll go ahead and predict that if Dodge is fired, he'll have a job as someone's QB coach, WR coach, or offensive coordinator/co-coordinator/pass game coordinator at a BCS school. There's no shame in not being able to do the whole thing. As shown in several threads after the Army loss, there a dozens of former head coaches now assisting at FBS schools or in the NFL. Listen, being the boss is hard. At this level, it's completely different. Like, different planet different. Think about it: the guy walked away from a high school where the parents policed their kids and they were respectful. College football is different. There are so many different backgrounds and experiences in a locker room. You've got to earn the trust of those guys. They don't go for top down-type of authority. Anyone catch the comments of Bob Stoops or Mack Brown recently. Neither are thrilled with some of their schools' recently performances (yes, I know we'd trade for them...but, their level is different). Both have hammered home the fact that they've got kids on their roster who aren't working hard enough and aren't listening...and it shows up on the field. For what is expected of those squads, they've struggled against teams they'd normally blow out early. Keeping the trust and attention of a college locker room is very difficult. Dodge just couldn't do it. It's not that the players don't like him. It's just that, after being sent into battle so many times with a losing plan, carrying it out becomes burdensome. At some point, guys just think to themselves, 'Screw it. I ain't putting it all on the line anymore. There'll be someone new next year anyway.'

What a D-Bag, God forbid the kids love their country.

Really? It is that much more exciting to see us lose with a passing offense than lose with a running offense? I'd say turnovers, losses, and perpetual quarterback problems under Dodge have become boring and predictable. Here, I'll predict it now: -Our quarterbacks will throw more interceptions than touchdowns again in 2010. -We will lose at least 10 games this season again. -We will see at least two more quarterbacks this season again. We were spared of the quarterback merry-go-round in only one Dodge season, 2008. Wee, isn't this so much more fun than 2006? It's the same. Winning is winning; and, losing is losing. We could seriously finish the season 0-12, fellas. There's nothing exciting about that. A term far more appropriate than boring, predictable, or exciting is irritating. As in, how much longer will Rick Villareal let this irritating crap continue?

A reanactment of some Commanche battle against the white eyes. ok PMG, I am baiting you for a story.

So much misinformation in this post, but lets just stick with the above. The defense in 07 returned 9 starters from a defense that was ranked in the high 80s the year before. Dodge promptly turned that into the worst defense in FBS football. No mention about the dismal special teams play for 4 STRAIGHT YEARS. So tired of people who accept losing.

She hasn't had time to get her own players in place.

It wasn't luck. He built the UNM program into a top-25 tier (with a lot of help from a Lobo named Urlacher) before he made his way to Firt Worth. For nearly a decade, Fran was the man you wanted to build your program

How about a Mean Green bball showcase?!!!

are you ut scum or smuu scum? troll alert

John Boehner is a f*cking closet homosexual Klan member. Good enough?

TD didn't

I haven't any interest in leaving a league of semi-established upstarts and leftovers to start another league with other upstarts and leftovers and added travel expenses. So no, we're not warming up to it. At Camp Eagle1855, we're colder than ever.

listen to it on the radio. i will. this is our team!!! they just may surprise us!

yea it is much easier to be an "expert" and call a coach that has a winning record at just about every place he has coached including several that were in horrible shape before he started there a "lazy ass" just like people on this forum full of experts pretend that Larry Coker that never had a losing season, only had a single season of less than 9-3 and won a MNC and had teams in the top 20 5 out of 6 seasons and had teams in the top 5 three out of 6 seasons and he did that while moving from one of the worst AQ D1-A conferences to one that was much better and much tougher but hey he is not at UNT and he is at UTSA so he was a loser that won with someone else's recruits, (as if everyone just lucks into the MNC or the top 5 three years in a row), no one besides UNT wanted him, and he will always suck meanwhile your fans are trying to discuss a way to cut your high school coach some slack after going 5-34 so far with wins over D1-AA programs for most of them and maybe keeping him yet another year experts indeed

yea some lazy ass get a clue even discounting what he did in his early years because it was at smaller programs TxState was never known for having a winning program at the D1-AA level and still is not and not consistently for sure New Mexico is a coaching deathbed and the fact he got them to 9-3 is amazing TCU was horrible when he took them over Bama he had a drop off from Stallings, but he took over for a legend and most coaches don't just walk into the SEC and have success their first year (see Sabans 7-5) and 10-3 in the SEC and a number 11 ranking to end the season at a program that was in horrible shape and surrounded by controversy and lying to their coach about it the whole way is hardly the record of a lazy ass TAMU was really his one bad time of coaching and they seem to have a curse on them since Slocum was let go and the fans had turned on Fran pretty much after the first year right when Mack Brown was catching fire and Stoops was at teh top of his game and that is a great way to destroy recruiting and he still had a 9-3 season there while the fans called for his head and he was still 3-2 Vs Texas the ignorance shown by the fans of a program that has sniffed little if any real success in 100+ years of football towards people that have documented success is laughable and just another reason those fans don't have a clue what it takes to actually have some success much less longer term success Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl Coaches# AP° Southwestern College Moundbuilders (NAIA) (Kansas Collegiate Athletic Conference) (1981–1982) 1981 Southwestern College 5–2–2 5–2–2 2nd 1982 Southwestern College 9–2–0 8–1–0 1st W Sunflower Southwestern College (NAIA): 14–4–2 13–3–2 Pittsburg State Gorillas (NAIA) (Central States Intercollegiate Conference) (1985–1988) 1985 Pittsburg State 8–2 6–1 1st Quarterfinals NAIA Playoffs 1986 Pittsburg State 11–1 7–0 1st Semifinals NAIA Playoffs 1987 Pittsburg State 11–1 7–0 1st Semifinals NAIA Playoffs 1988 Pittsburg State 11–1 7–0 1st Semifinals NAIA Playoffs Pittsburg State (NAIA): 41–5 27–1 Pittsburg State Gorillas (Div. II) (Missouri Intercollegiate Athletic Association) (1989–1989) 1989 Pittsburg State 12–1 10–0 1st Quarterfinals DII playoffs Pittsburg State (DII): 12–1 10–0 Southwest Texas State Bobcats (Div. I-AA) (Southland Conference) (1990–1991) 1990 Southwest Texas State 6–5 2–3 3rd 1991 Southwest Texas State 7–4 4–3 4th Southwest Texas State (Div. I-AA): 13–9 6–6 New Mexico Lobos (Western Athletic Conference) (1992–1997) 1992 New Mexico 3–8 2–6 9th 1993 New Mexico 6–5 4–4 6th 1994 New Mexico 5–7 4–4 5th 1995 New Mexico 4–7 2–6 7th 1996 New Mexico 6–5 3–5 7th (Pacific) 1997 New Mexico 9–4 6–2 1st (Pacific) L Insight.com New Mexico: 33–36 21–27 TCU Horned Frogs (Western Athletic Conference) (1998–2000) 1998 TCU 7–5 4–4 5th W Sun 1999 TCU 8–4 5–2 T–1st W Mobile Alabama 2000 TCU 10–1 7–1 T–1st L Mobile Alabama Bowl coached by Gary Patterson 18 21 TCU: 25–10 16–7 Alabama Crimson Tide (Southeastern Conference) (2001–2002) 2001 Alabama 7–5 4–4 3rd (West) W Independence 2002 Alabama 10–3 6–2 1st (West)) Ineligible 11 Alabama: 17–8 10–6 Texas A&M Aggies (Big 12 Conference) (2003–2007) 2003 Texas A&M 4–8 2–6 5th (South) 2004 Texas A&M 7–5 5–3 3rd (South) L 38–7 Cotton 2005 Texas A&M 5–6 3–5 4th (South) 2006 Texas A&M 9–4 5–3 3rd (South) L 45–10 Holiday 2007 Texas A&M 7–5 4–4 4th (South) L 24–17 Alamo Bowl coached by Gary Darnell Texas A&M: 32–28 19–21 Source:[49] Total: 187–101–2 (107–81 Div. I)

Remember how much more better things were when the"Green P1 Memorial Forum" was up and running? Once Rangers season ends the crappy ass "Eagles Nest" may as well close up shop.

not to mention one guy had next to no light at the end of the tunnel for facilities and the other guy has a huge light of improved facilities shining right on him

I just don't care.

fausports.tv doesn't list any live events. It looks like a front for CBS College Sports and they don't list the game on Saturday either. The Mean Green premium doesn't have it.. Looks like we are blacked out. My apologies to John Wiley Price for my language.

It is head and shoulders better. I don't think the players loathe the fans. I don't hear the coach hating on the fans. I don't hear the coach hating on the school. I do see a video thanking the support from the fans. I do hear the coach talk about the facilities and how it helps with recruiting. I do hear the coach talk up the university. That is what makes it hard to see Coach Dodge shown the door. I really believe he has good character and respects his position in life and his players. It is s shame that it hasn't worked out, but I hold out a glimmer of hope (that fades each week). As a donor and supporter, it is in way better shape. Dickey wasn't tearing up the win-loss either -- but he had negativity to boot.

I lost my second wife over Dickey-ball. I've hung on to a GF for three years of Dodge-ball. I'd say we are better off.

RR you do not know that NT has tried the WAC before in a conference named the Big West. That was a miserable experiment and did not do anything to help promote NT. Until the conference alignment is done no one knows where NT will wind up but until such time as those things are settled then we will be in the Sunbelt conference. As to your questions about the hiring of a coach that resides with the AD.

Big West plus Southland = WAC Lite..........No thanks.

If you want to act like an FCS football program, go be an FCS football program. Funny how everyone continually ignores what good health this team had last year and the miserable results (even though the head coach said they should have been a 5 win team). Find the money. Period. Pay the next coach 500K. Period. You are asking donors to pay 3.5K to 6.5K for seat licenses for the new stadium. That's fine. As long as this university decides to up it's commitment also, and pay a REAL college football coach REAL money.

It would be a big mistake in my opinion. The wheels were coming off with this team before the injuries took their toll--1. incredibly bad special teams play, stupid and ill-timed mistakes and penalties, 3. poor coaching decisions on crucial downs and 4. a tendency to give up big plays on defense. How would one more year change any of that???????

If he was a winner before a season of devastating injuries, maybe. But Dodge is not a winner.

Paul Blake

Regardless of your politics (granted I think most posters on this board lean to the right as is) this is awesome for UNT. Having a former President speak at our campus, regardless of approval ratings, helps in our quest for national recognition as a university, IMHO.