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And, while we are at it "putting our big boy pants on", why don't we put our support dollars where our mouths are? If we demand from our coaches and our players, should we not also expect support levels to increase by the same standard? It is one thing to "say" UNT needs to do this or that and be a "champagne" program, to pay big tinme coaching salaries, to recruit the best, to play the best, but it is hard to do on a "beer" budget. If ever there was a time to financially support this program, it is NOW! The administration is demanding wins, it is building a new stadium and it is moving the entire program ahead. That takes dollars and plenty of them. Season ticket sales are not at nearly the levels they should be for this program to move forward, memberships in the Mean green Club are so low as to be laughable for a university the size of UNT, Alumni memberships are still way too low. Little things add up and make a difference. You can make a difference for very little in the way of donations...yes, a little can help a great deal at this time in UNT's history. The time is really "now or never" for this program and its supporters. It's a great time to be a member of the Mean Green Nation as so much positive is happening. Let's all try to get beyond past snubs (real and perceived) or past "I'll do this when's" and decide to step up and be part of the solution. Buying season tickets...at any price...even one...can help, making a donation to the Mean green Club and/or the stadium at even $25 if you are currently a non-donor can make a big difference, joing the Alumni Association at the annual level can make a big difference...it doesn't take much to make a difference at this very critical time in UNT's history. I ask each and every member of the Mean Green Nation to stop and really think about where UNT is and what it wants to accomplish. Do what you can and only what you can...however much that is...but do something. Let's help move this program from a "beer budget" to a "champagne budget" and show the nation that the Mean Green Nation means business, and that it has the support from alumni, students and fans to make it happen. It is way past time that we all "got over" our own personal grievenances and stop placing "conditions" on our support. RV and his team have shown that they mean business, do we or do we just want to continue down that same old tired lame road of excuses? GO MEAN GREEN!

Anyway we can get rid of the Key Lime Pie background? Just sayin.

I happen to believe that Rodge would have been a damn fine QB and if he wouldn't have been I'd have taken my lumps.....

All this speculation is going around as to what if and what happens if this comes about..... the only thing you need to do is to get to the Rice Home Opener with no less than 5 people in tow...preferably 10. Drink your beers before the game but get your butt in the seat to let the guys know we are there and we want them to succeed. I've got my entourage for Rice...do you?

Well, without doing any research, Turner Gill at Buffalo comes to mind, but I'm sure those circumstances were also so much different than UNT's that we should never hope to duplicate them. From wiki: "Gill agreed to a five-year contract to become the 23rd head football coach at the University at Buffalo on December 16, 2005. The Buffalo Bulls had gone 8-49 under previous coach Jim Hofher, and was considered "one of the three or four worst FBS programs in the nation when [Gill] took over."[4] Under Gill, the Bulls improved each of the first three seasons, winning the Mid-American Conference championship in 2008." But we should never expect that here, right? I think you overrate the impact of setting a standard on recruiting. What has made recruiting hard is 5-31, not the fact that the AD has mandated a winning season. Do you really think recruits and their parents think that Coach Dodge is not on the hot seat? I think you vastly overrate the recruiting impact. I'm looking forward to a time in the near future when a coach of this program is on the hot seat when he ONLY wins 7 games. And yes, that can happen.

Off the CUSA board. Season ticket sales that we can only dream of Posted by PirateNation WOW - Over 30,000 season tickets sold at ECU A new all-time record in season tickets sales at East Carolina.. 22,250 season tickets have been sold. Also, an additional 7,800 season tickets have been sold to students at $40 in the Student Pirate Club (also a record) bringing the total to over 30,000 season tickets. I'm amazed. Proud the Pirates have stepped up.

All true but good teams find ways to win. Everything you listed is why we went 2-10 last year. Nobody in this league scares me.......well, except us. We kill me.

Bad coach, bad program, feeder school for UNT and a school that requires a disgusting facial growth to lead the team in scoring. I think we're in good shape.

Illegal block in the back, if I recall correctly. If Green Lantern hasn't erased his text messages I believe he'd be able to provide you with a complete, play by play recap of this game that we were happy enough to provide him while he honeymooned in Turks and Caicos.

"The construction was privately funded, and Tech had every right to make this addition to its athletic complex." And what was the Mean Grean membership up to? 465? Regarding Texas, let me first state that I detest all that the Univ of Texas stands for in college athletics. But, their athletic department makes money, lots of money, and has given profits back to the University. Still, I hate the sumbitches!

Do you really think he is a legitimate contender to start? And if so, why?

For the same reason MeanGreen61 lurks bobcatfans.com and chimes in when UNT is mentioned.. Are other schools' fans not welcome? Just trying to offer some insight into the thread topic, thats all.

Green Gang, Inside the Iron. Brett Vito, Outside the Iron. (Don't read anything into that...it's just what popped into my head when I saw the pic below. I think that's Brett peeking in.) ]

And another thing, Dude...do you have to use so many cuss words?

I often wonder where you get all this time , effort & concern on just about every topic;)

Can we PLEASE change the color for this forum?

This actually brings up a good point that is pertinent to this conversation... What a stadium is named and what it is called... No one named LSU's stadium Death Valley... The name of the stadium is Tiger Stadium and the name of Clemson's stadium is Memorial Stadium... Nicknames like Death Valley are born through supporter tradition and media inertia... That is why I love something along the lines of Villareal Stadium... It will be called the V almost by default and that is a cool name... Stadiums that have nicknames are the ones that are iconic... Like "The Blue Field Abomination" in Boise... Well, that one might have been coined by rival supporter groups...

And this too. Excuses need to stop, from ALL of us.

I think it is exactly BECAUSE of our "unique circumstances" that we have this ultimatum in place. You talk about our 5-31 record the last few years (who coached us to that record by the way?). This isn't just a blip or a down period in our storied history. In the eyes of most, students and recent alumni included, this is "business as usual" at North Texas. We are not UT, OU, or even SMU as you so deftly pointed out. A statement of demanded excellence (or just a game over .500 honestly) is not what most expect from NT. Like the pretty new stadium this is a "we're putting our big boy pants on" kind of statement. You wanna really send a message to potential recruits and fans? Bring back a coach who is 5-31 through three years...then make no public indication that that won't cut it. We want Denton, Dallas and eventually the country to take us seriously? Let's act like WE take ourselves seriously, for a change.

I generally like the new look, but I'm not wild about the new background color for the posted messages. I'm old. A white background is just easier for me to read than the greenish-gray.

Easily fixed. Once this season is completed, let one of the gas companies drill the 50 yard line of Fouts. You can keep the track around it to still hold meets, the stadium would serve as a visual buffer and in the event of an explosion, the stands would keep everything contained. Drill here, drill in 2011!

What about: "Looking For Sponsors Stadium"

Big Greene Booger Stadium

Yep....put another vote down for this. I like it.

Mean Green Stadium Walt Parker Field Wells Fargo Field North Texas Stadium

Dodge Mah Hal haha

TexasStatefaninTexas?

I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not, but I wholeheartedly agree. And THAT folks is why I'm the best fan.

if you mean more fans that are members of the MGC and season ticket holders, then I guess your right. Lifer, do you really think a kid whose parents are looking at multiple athletic scholarships are not going to research the school he eventually chooses?

He certainly has, and the Mean green nation now needs to step up and do its part to support the program. And, while at it...tell RV thanks.

Harry...though I love the guy....can we all not admit that we are at least slightly more psyched that the QB this year will be a little less accident prone. Not to rant...cause that has been done...but I do want to say that anytime the QB is taken out of the game for injury (at least for us) it has lead for an almost collapse on the typically strong offensive behalf. This is rightfully so...when your team captain and key player is taken out time after time for injury it is only natural that it is concerning and disheartening to say the least. Both our boys (Tune and Thompson) are easily more capable of taking a hit that will not ensure them being taken out of the game (esp. since Nathan put on some supposed muscle weight).

Internet high five!!

Prove it.

So calling someone to task for underperforming is "complaining" and "bashing"? My my my, I just figured out to make work WAAAY easier.

How about "UNT ALUMNI (THE ONES THAT GIVE A DAMNED THAT IS)STADIUM".

Wow. Has the culture here become so beaten down that we are afraid to demand a winning season out of a coach in his 4th year? Do you really believe it will take the next coach (if that even happens) 4 years to establish a winning record? Well, I for one am glad that standard are being set and they are public. Everyone now knows that we expect something from our athletic programs and that we will not settle for status quo. Is that such a bad thing? Why do you think it will take 4 additional years for a new coach to "rebuild" this program? My God, how many coaches have been successful in year 2 at their new job. Just look down the road and you will find one, and with a similiar set of circumstances. I expect to win at least 7 games a year. I don't care how bad we have been "since returning to FBS," I care about how good we will be this year forward. I don't mean anything personal by this, but it is infuriating to see these "we have always sucked, so it's ok if we only suck only a little less" posts from people that have been around here a long time. Is that really the standards you want set for this program? Have you really been that badly beaten by your husband/college football program that your college football self-esteem is that low? Hey, Coach Dodge is a great guy and does everything right for UNT, except win (so far). Like it or not, that is the name of the game in college football. If you don't want to play by those rules, take your a&% back to D1AA. I would bet Coach Dodge would be the first to tell you the same thing. Maybe we all should suck it up, grab the young ones, and take ourselves to the Shelter for Battered College Football Program's Fans, where we can begin to build the expectations and confidence that will lead to a better college football future. Jackwagons!!!

I mentioned this in another thread, but I'd like it if it was ultimately named Villarreal Stadium and nick-named "The V", both for the name as well as for the shape of the end zone stands.

For some reason we are not listed on that page.

please man, "Criticize in private and praise in public." You guys are always so negative.

Unless you tell someone WHY you are not going back, BIG DEAL...they won't miss you and will never know you have left. It is amazing how talking to the manager can, at times, help in these sort of situations. It may not have been the manager's decision, but he could send the issue up the chain of command and let those that make these stupid decisions know that they might need to re-think a bit. However, as long as UNT fans do not buy and wear UNT gear the lack of respect will definitely continue. It's no secret within the local business community that you can get away with this sort of thing because you'll never suffer any sort of backlash from UNT people and no one will say much of anything about it...EVER! UNT doesn't get the respect it deserves because those that support UNT do not demand respect for UNT and most who say they support UNT simply don't care. To get respect you have to earn it and demand it. Tell the manager and then others should tell the manager. I was in that store yesterday as well, but did not see the display...I was in the grocery section for about 10 minutes. I will definitely make a point of going back and talking to the manager...not in a disrespectful way by any means, but simply to let him know that it's a mistake...and I'll be wearing Mean Green gear when I do! I encourage anyone who can to stop by that store and ask to speak to the manager about this.

Count me as one who doesn't like it. I'm all for putting the coach under pressure, especially one who hasn't met expectations but i don't see how a win total accomplishes that. My biggest worry is that at the midpoint we have three wins and maybe Tune gives us a slightly bettter chance to win but obviously Thompson is the future. I know that is a hypothetical but I'd hate to see short term decisions made based on a line in the sand. I'd rather just the word from RV get out that we have to be better, significantly better, or heads will roll. Just not sure about the win total thing. Not to mention RV has just opened up a can of worms. He'll get a lot of questions if we are 6-5 going into that last game.

WEWANTWAC Field?

I don't understand debating on whether or not to bring a coach back after this season when we have yet to play a down of football? Is Coach Dodge the coach of the future? I hope so. Does 6-6, or even 5-7 bring him back next year? Who knows what this year could hold? I don't know... His team's results will dictate that and regardless of how you feel about him, everyone here on this board should be rooting for the MEAN GREEN to win every game. I'm pretty sure that is the case with all of us. Say we start 5-1 with a sole loss to Clemson, then Dunbar,Santiago,Robertson & Tune/Thompson all go down with freak, season-ending injuries in game 7 and we lose out...but we're competitive. What then? Reprieve? I would hope so! We don't know the circumstances of the upcoming season. Let's just show up and support the green. If Coach Dodge deserves to stay, it will make itself apparent. If he needs to go, it will make itself apparent. GO COACH DODGE! GO MEAN GREEN!

Holy freaking crap.. this is horrible. You really think this is good news? We got beat out by such academic powerhouses as UTEP and Couger High. I guess at least we didn't get beat by Texas Sta.... what!??!?..they beat us.?!?. Nobody even bothers to attend class at Texas State. Everyone is always drunk and/or at the river. Well, I guess at least we beat out Sam Houston State....barely. Yay us! We made the list. Take that ITT Tech!!!

If I see one more post(and I already know I will) about interceptions being drastically reduced with a new QB next season imma internet barf. We're replacing an inexperienced freshman QB with either a kid who's thrown 3 passes or a guy who's been a career backup. Sure rodge had his fair share of warts as a freshman starter.

Thanks so much! Good fans on this board!