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I disagree. We could simply be left out of all expansion scenarios and end up staying in a Sun Belt conference that is begging the NCAA to lift the moratorium so we could pick up minor universities. Even worse, we could end up dropping down to I-AA. IMHO joining the WAC, a conference that has been around for almost 50 years, is far from the worst scenario.

This guy kick sash.

He's definitely already in the running for the all-conference best name team.

No, I can think of far worse scenarios.

Can the NCAA put the Dallas ISD on probation? They need to be.

And looking at a map, I'm not sure who else would join the WAC. Maybe UTEP since they are the western-most C-USA team. Maybe Tulsa, if they believe the WAC would be an upgrade from C-USA. I sure would like to see the WAC expand to have an east division, but all this expansion talk has me thinking we should just take the WAC invite no matter what.

Root for Smut? NEVER! I believe the MWC will stand pat for now after inviting Boise, waiting for the PAC10 to make the next move to see if they snag BYU and/or Utah. Smut has to be lower than Fresno, Nevada, Houston, and UTEP on their list, and TCU already has the DFW area covered.

Adding San Jose State makes all the difference. That's why the old Big West didn't work.

UTSA has yet to play a single down of football. They hired a head coach that no school that actually plays football wanted. They signed a number of contracts to play big names schools, but all of the contracts have more escape clauses than an AIG Executive Contracts. If the Roadrunners actually field a team, who are the going to play in 2011 and 2012? Looking at the article, none of these big name schools plan on showing up in San Antonio before 2015. Well, Houston is FBS but not in an auto-qualifying conference and they will go if there is a team to play against in 2014. There are internet rumors of games in 2011, but no actual contracts have been announced. If the Roadrunners actually start playing, then they will need to comply with the attendance requirements in 2012 and 2013. Unlike when UNT moved up, the new attendance requirements prevent nearly free tickets and require audited attendance - people have to actually use the tickets. Right now, none of those games in 2012 or 2013 will be against "name" opponents so UTSA is going to have to meet the attendance requirements playing Southland teams. All the above assumes the NCAA will allow new teams to move up - something the NCAA Council has suggested they might not do because of the number teams already at the FBS level. As for the article, it was written by the sports editor of the San Marco paper who is trying to get Texas State - a school with an actual team - to speed up their drive to FBS status. Texas State is taking the slow but steady approach, first making sure the finances are in order and then working to build their attendance. I notice the AD at Texas State though so little of the article he didn't even bother assign an intern to comment.

The WAC will have to come east if it wants to expand with existing FBS programs. UNT is the most western FBS school available not already in the MWC, CUSA, WAC, or better. And no, UTEP won't go back to the WAC. Possible WAC Divisions without Boise: Hawaii Fresno Utah St. San Jose Idaho Nevada NMSU UNT La Tech ULL Arkansas St. Troy

You'll have to ask the AD about that one.

very hard to recruit when a coach only has one year left on his contract. it would be better to start over if we are that unsure.

We don't need quitters.

Well, you go around posting the same stuff so often, I feel that it's only fair that you similarly have to read the same points ad naseum. Never been told before that my posts are worthless, but thanks for playing!

So you're telling me there's a chance... YEAH!

Aww, hell no! And we have to acknowledge that the BEST and most realistic scenario for us would be for the WAC to expand east. C-USA is not going to come knocking, Mountain West won't take us right now, and the Sun Belt is going to be more irrelevant after expansion.

Of course the WAC makes sense to Boise from a geographical standpoint, as did the Big West, while neither make sense for North Texas without some sort of eastern division.

This should really be a non-issue. Was it politically smart for this President who, right or wrong (not a debate we're having here), is generall considered weak on defense and military issues? Probably not. ...but there is no prescident that a sitting President MUST attend the ceremony. They often do, and no President has totally ignored Memorial day. ...but taking a family vacation over the Memorial day weekend when it is already an issue your political opposition beats you over the head with is probably not the best political move. ...but for all the things I fault this President for (and you all know the list is long) this isn't one of them. He attended a Memorial day Ceremony and the Vice President did a wonderful job delivering a great speach on the President's behalf at Arlington.

I understand the licensing agreement with CLC is quite restrictive, but why does it only seem to affect North Texas? Many other schools, Montana and Texas State for example, seem to do alright working with CLC.

I was thinking we could somehow tap into the disaster alert network and use those air raid sirens and loudspeakers to broadcast an hourly promotional message.

Dude, quit being an ass. Or at least try. I am not bringing in politics. I think its sory for ANY president not to attend Arlington. I didnt realize its "outrage" to show displeasure at a president. I thought it was that damn fredom of speech thing. Thanks for setting me straight.

And we're back to blaming Bush... These threads really do run full circle.

IF he chooses not to attend, its pretty sorry on his part. He can't put "going home" on hold for one freaking day? Pretty sad.

I guess that San Jose and Idaho have raised their budgets along with a lotof MAC schools. This is my concern about the Belt. Most of you probably know that I have been a Belt fan from Day 1. The apparent lack of resources/desire to commit for excellence is my concern. If we are not getting better, we are stagnant. If we are not spending money, we are not going to get better. 4 or 5 schools in the Belt are spending the money to be competitve (somewhat) - the rest are drastically underfunded. I am really considering the WAC invite, hopefully it is still a standing invite.

I've spent my whole life wishing we could conference with Utah State, Idaho, Nevada, and some of the other Big teams out West. Once we align with them, we're sure to rocket up in prestige and on-field success. I only wish we'd done it earlier.

http://www.coverleaf.com/?document_id=43647#Home

The WAC is the worst case scenario. We can do no worse. For the past several years, there has been a standing open invite from the WAC for UNT. If they offer, we don't have to accept immediately. I see no reason why there won't continue to be an open invite from the WAC. Call it the backup plan if all else fails.

I agree. If there is no invite from C-USA, we need to go to the WAC. When looking at national rankings for teams, recruiting, budgets, and academics, the WAC is ahead of the Sun Belt. Yes they play late games, but that should mean more opportunities to play on T.V. Even without Boise, I think they are a better option then staying in the Belt.

As others have stated -- you have no clue what you're talking about. Boise State was thrilled to be able to get into the WAC, and from a geographic standpoint, was the best possible option they had at the time.

From Fox News, so I can't speak for it's validity: "OBAMA ISN'T THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO MISS THE CEREMONY. RONALD REAGAN SPOKE AT WEST POINT ONE YEAR AND WENT TO HIS CALIFORNIA RANCH ANOTHER. GEORGE H.W. BUSH DIDN'T GO AT ALL...AND GEORGE W. BUSH DIDN'T GO HIS FIRST TWO YEARS IN OFFICE." You're right Rudy it's pretty sorry. GHWBush didn't go at all, he sent Quayle who used his family's influence to get out of service. W. sent Cheney. Hell, Cheney should have laid 5 wreaths. One for every deferment he got. Obama is going to a service at a national cemetery. It's just in Illinois. Your phony outrage amuses me.

I think your argument about everyone wanting to leave the WAC could be said of the CUSA, MAC, and Sun Belt as well. Furthermore, the teams wanting to leave the WAC, CUSA, and MAC sure are not waiting for a spot to open up in the Sun Belt and I would say that 100% of the teams in the sun belt would leave for the CUSA in a heartbeat. Based on that logic alone I would say we need to get the heck out of here.

I don't know where the logic train fell off the track here, but no one is waiting for WAC spots to open either. Based on your logic, since everyone wants into CUSA, UNT should bolt for the WAC at first opportunity? That makes absolutely no sense. The WAC without regional opponents would be the worst possible scenario for UNT.

Thanks for re-posting the exact same thing another poster did. As others have stated...your posts are worthless.