North Texas Officially Is Third Largest University In Texas

[ADLER]

UNT is state's third largest in undergraduate enrollment and in degrees awarded

DENTON (UNT), Texas -- Newly released figures from the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board show that the University of North Texas is the third largest university in Texas in all three key areas: undergraduate student enrollment, undergraduate degrees awarded and graduate degrees awarded.

According to the official figures from fall 2007, UNT had 27,242 undergraduate students -- coming out ahead of the University of Houston by 747 students. UNT's undergraduate enrollment has gone up nearly 10 percent since fall 2004.

UNT is also third in the state for fiscal year 2007 undergraduate degrees awarded (4,863) and master's degrees awarded (1,329).

Other key findings from the THECB report:

* UNT is on track to meet the Board's "Closing the Gaps" headcount targets. That initiative aims to enroll 630,000 new higher education students across Texas by 2015;

* The growth rate for degrees earned continues to climb, particularly among African American and Hispanic students. There was a nearly 20 percent increase in UNT degrees earned by African Americans from fiscal year 2000 to 2007, and a more than 48 percent increase in degrees earned by Hispanic students from the same time period;

* UNT has demonstrated significant improvement in its student persistence rates, particularly among Hispanic students. From fall 2000 to fall 2006 (the last year that numbers are available in this category), there was a 5 percent increase in the first-time undergraduate student persistence rate after one year for Hispanics.

Troy Johnson, associate vice president for enrollment management at UNT, said, "It's important for universities like UNT to contribute to 'Closing the Gaps' goals that would bring Texas in better standing with other states. To have both growth in enrollment and in student graduation rates is particularly gratifying for the faculty and staff of UNT."

UNT News Service Phone Number: (940) 565-2108

Contact: Rafael McDonnell 940-565-4835

Email: RMcDonnell@unt.edu

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[UNTflyer]

Wonderful news!

We were already third in total enrollment, I think because Houston's grad school is smaller. But now we can officially claim #3 in Texas, #10 in America!

[Guest GrayEagleOne]

I didn't understand why they didn't go ahead and proclaim North Texas the third largest university in Texas. We have almost 2,000 more graduate students than UH....6,900 to 5,000. The only drawback is that until the Dallas Campus officially becomes UNTD in 2009 they may be reluctant to declare the Denton campus third since over 1,800 students (although most are not full-time) are included in the total.

The University of North Texas System is still number four. UH has campuses in downtown Houston, Clear Lake, and Victoria which surpass our Denton, Dallas and Fort Worth enrollments.

Maybe it's only bragging rights, but it's good to know that the Denton campus is officially the third largest university campus in Texas. Personally, I'm content NOT to be F#1 or #2.

As an aside, we should try to schedule annual games with the University of Houston. We have a lot in common....the largest universities in the largest metropolitan areas in Texas with a similar number of fields of study. Since #1 and #2 have a long-standing rivalry, why not #3 and #4?

[3XNTGRAD]

I didn't understand why they didn't go ahead and proclaim North Texas the third largest university in Texas.

UH counts all of their professional school enrollment on the main campus in the total enrollment figures. Since we have no professional school on the Denton campus, that puts them ahead of us on the total count even though we beat them in both undergraduate and graduate enrollments.

[NTPhiKap99]

UH counts all of their professional school enrollment on the main campus in the total enrollment figures. Since we have no professional school on the Denton campus, that puts them ahead of us on the total count even though we beat them in both undergraduate and graduate enrollments.

If we are going to split hairs does our number still include the UNT-Dallas. Either way I'm happy we're going and moved up to number 3.

[nautique]

Does it get UNT closer to a stadium? Bigger is only better (in regards to football) if the student fees go up and a portion of those fees are earmarked for a new stadium.

[NTPhiKap99]

Does it get UNT closer to a stadium? Bigger is only better (in regards to football) if the student fees go up and a portion of those fees are earmarked for a new stadium.

Do you have to be negative or try to start something everywhere. The school growing is a GOOD thing. Does it mean we'll have a new stadium in September no. But it does lead to a bigger fan base, higher attendance, yes more fees, and just an overall lift in prestige. The more people who attend UNT the more people who know about and talk about UNT. Bigger is better even if it doesn't lead to an new stadium.

[nautique]

Big might be better but not in all cases. Tech and Southwest Texas became bigger but did that make their university better? It depends on how you define better in case of enrollment? North Texas becoming less of a commuter school would be better for the university than pure growth in numbers but I'm sure I'm in the minority.

It just depends on what you as a student, fan, or alum want for the school?

Edited February 11, 2008 by nautique

[MeanMag]

Big might be better but not in all cases. Tech and Southwest Texas became bigger but did that make their university better? It depends on how you define better in case of enrollment? North Texas becoming less of a commuter school would be better for the university than pure growth in numbers but I'm sure I'm in the minority.

It just depends on what you as a student, fan, or alum want for the school?

I think UNT has plenty of dorms and apartments just off campus to house a good portion of that student body. I think it's more percentage-wise than UT and some other schools of equal enrollment. I could be wrong when I say this, but, UNT is no longer a commuter school. I'd say most of the people that attend it live within 20 minutes of campus, if not closer, and I think it's safe to say most other schools in the country our size have about the same percentage of kids living on campus.

[3XNTGRAD]

If we are going to split hairs does our number still include the UNT-Dallas. Either way I'm happy we're going and moved up to number 3.

Yes - our numbers still include the Dallas campus and will do so until that campus attains the minimum full-time equivalent to become a free-standing university.

[ADLER]

I think UNT has plenty of dorms and apartments just off campus to house a good portion of that student body. I think it's more percentage-wise than UT and some other schools of equal enrollment. I could be wrong when I say this, but, UNT is no longer a commuter school. I'd say most of the people that attend it live within 20 minutes of campus, if not closer, and I think it's safe to say most other schools in the country our size have about the same percentage of kids living on campus.

Interstate 35 traffic makes it nearly impossible to commute to and from Denton.

I would bet that North Texas has a smaller percentage of commuting students than any other college in the Dallas / Ft Worth region.

[DallasGreen]

Interstate 35 traffic makes it nearly impossible to commute to and from Denton.

I would bet that North Texas has a smaller percentage of commuting students than any other college in the Dallas / Ft Worth region.

This fact belabors the point of why those living so close are no shows during the breaks--Christmas, Thanksgiving, and Spring, when "home" whether visiting with "Mom & Pop" or school home near campus is less than 30 minutes away. No excuse for our dismal student attendance when not in session.

[NT80]

This fact belabors the point of why those living so close are no shows during the breaks--Christmas, Thanksgiving, and Spring, when "home" whether visiting with "Mom & Pop" or school home near campus is less than 30 minutes away. No excuse for our dismal student attendance when not in session.

I think it's the opponents we play. Like most football fans, the bigger the rival or opponent's name, the more students, alums, and walkup fans we'll have. It's hard to draw the same for ULM, FIU, WKU, et al as it is for Navy, Baylor, Smut, etc.

[PlummMeanGreen]

I think it's the opponents we play. Like most football fans, the bigger the rival or opponent's name, the more students, alums, and walkup fans we'll have. It's hard to draw the same for ULM, FIU, WKU, et al as it is for Navy, Baylor, Smut, etc.

I would love for North Texas to be in an established league that already has annual Top 25 team(s) in it, and then an ever-improving Mean Green football team becoming its 2'nd (or 3'rd) Top 25 ranked team each year.

Can you imagine what a good Mean Green football team could draw in Denton against a conference mate which was ranked in the Top 25? Isn't it those kind of games that get the fan base all lathered up to want to show up at Fouts for a chance to win such a game in order for us to gain our own Top 25 ranking? Isn't it easier to do it this way (that is, gain a Top 25 ranking) than merely wish & hope we could beat one of the kind of OOC games (Top 10 ranked schools, usually) that we normally have on our annual football schedules already (although we would want to keep some of them on our future schedules since strength of schedule is all important).

We haven't played a ranked NCAA D1-A team on our campus since 1974.

OK, I guess I now need to stop on this subject while I'm ahead, right?

Edited February 12, 2008 by PlummMeanGreen

[Daddy Dumpsalot]

UNT is state's third largest in undergraduate enrollment and in degrees awarded

DENTON (UNT), Texas -- Newly released figures from the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board show that the University of North Texas is the third largest university in Texas in all three key areas: undergraduate student enrollment, undergraduate degrees awarded and graduate degrees awarded.

According to the official figures from fall 2007, UNT had 27,242 undergraduate students -- coming out ahead of the University of Houston by 747 students. UNT's undergraduate enrollment has gone up nearly 10 percent since fall 2004.

UNT is also third in the state for fiscal year 2007 undergraduate degrees awarded (4,863) and master's degrees awarded (1,329).

Other key findings from the THECB report:

* UNT is on track to meet the Board's "Closing the Gaps" headcount targets. That initiative aims to enroll 630,000 new higher education students across Texas by 2015;

* The growth rate for degrees earned continues to climb, particularly among African American and Hispanic students. There was a nearly 20 percent increase in UNT degrees earned by African Americans from fiscal year 2000 to 2007, and a more than 48 percent increase in degrees earned by Hispanic students from the same time period;

* UNT has demonstrated significant improvement in its student persistence rates, particularly among Hispanic students. From fall 2000 to fall 2006 (the last year that numbers are available in this category), there was a 5 percent increase in the first-time undergraduate student persistence rate after one year for Hispanics.

Troy Johnson, associate vice president for enrollment management at UNT, said, "It's important for universities like UNT to contribute to 'Closing the Gaps' goals that would bring Texas in better standing with other states. To have both growth in enrollment and in student graduation rates is particularly gratifying for the faculty and staff of UNT."

UNT News Service Phone Number: (940) 565-2108

Contact: Rafael McDonnell 940-565-4835

Email: RMcDonnell@unt.edu

The law of supply and demand. The more you supply at a cheaper price, the higher the demand; usually quality suffers though

I still do not know why this is something to brag about. So what we have cheap tuition of course we're gonna be larger than the other universities in Texas. Sadly, we still fall wayyy behind them in all other areas.

[UNTflyer]

The law of supply and demand. The more you supply at a cheaper price, the higher the demand; usually quality suffers though

I still do not know why this is something to brag about. So what we have cheap tuition of course we're gonna be larger than the other universities in Texas. Sadly, we still fall wayyy behind them in all other areas.

Whatever.

First, you've completely screwed up the concept of supply and demand. Price does not determine supply or demand, rather price is determined by the equilibrium of supply and demand. Also, in terms of the relationship with each other, supply, demand, and price have absolutely no relationship with quality.

If your logic held up, the cheapest colleges in America should have the highest enrollment. But, Dalton State College, West Florida, North Georgia State, and Armstrong Atlantic State are nowhere near the tops in terms of enrollment.

Maybe I am biased, but I think we are better than a lot of other Texas universities in a lot of ways... but it is ridiculous to claim that we "fall wayyy behind them in all other areas."

Edited February 12, 2008 by UNTflyer

[hickoryhouse]

The law of supply and demand. The more you supply at a cheaper price, the higher the demand; usually quality suffers though

I still do not know why this is something to brag about. So what we have cheap tuition of course we're gonna be larger than the other universities in Texas. Sadly, we still fall wayyy behind them in all other areas.

I can only speak for two areas, well maybe three.. but if you wanna ssay we fall behind in all areas you are selling the brilliance of this university short. Who else in Texas, hell the rest of the country, has a better Music school? I know most of us didn't experience or care about it, but it is a huge deal to alot of the "big money" alums! maybe Don Henly, i don't think he greaduated though... What about the Education program hear, that is a top notch program in the state, and well respected throughout the country, or the Hospitality program... same as the education program, great in the state and well respected nation wide.

Low price and high quantity of students doesn't create an inferior education institution, although i understand your atempt at educational logic. UNT is able to provide a high quality education for thousands that can't afford the ut's the a$m's or the smuts.... are you upset that because we don'e have as much money as the smu folks we are in some way inferior? Funny I have read the same things over on ponyfans....

Have some pride, be proud of your school and give credit where credit is due. Maybe some other people on this board can elaborate, but to say that we fall behind in my opinion, is just naysaying. Something this school can do without. We have enough of that. lets move past your inferiority complex... it'll be good for you.

[risinggreen]

I can only speak for two areas, well maybe three.. but if you wanna ssay we fall behind in all areas you are selling the brilliance of this university short. Who else in Texas, hell the rest of the country, has a better Music school? I know most of us didn't experience or care about it, but it is a huge deal to alot of the "big money" alums! maybe Don Henly, i don't think he greaduated though... What about the Education program hear, that is a top notch program in the state, and well respected throughout the country, or the Hospitality program... same as the education program, great in the state and well respected nation wide.

Low price and high quantity of students doesn't create an inferior education institution, although i understand your atempt at educational logic. UNT is able to provide a high quality education for thousands that can't afford the ut's the a$m's or the smuts.... are you upset that because we don'e have as much money as the smu folks we are in some way inferior? Funny I have read the same things over on ponyfans....

Have some pride, be proud of your school and give credit where credit is due. Maybe some other people on this board can elaborate, but to say that we fall behind in my opinion, is just naysaying. Something this school can do without. We have enough of that. lets move past your inferiority complex... it'll be good for you.

You're also forgetting about the quality of our School of Business, especially Accounting which was clearly top ten nationally when I graduated, as well as many other programs. I was hoping that the inferiority complex was starting to wane a bit, but apparently it is not among some. I guess a lot of that comes from people who could not get into their school of choice coming out of high school. I think some of that also filters down from some UNT professors who think that they are Harvard caliber and are unhappy at having to settle for teaching in Denton. Really kind of sad.

[UNTFan23]

You're also forgetting about the quality of our School of Business, especially Accounting which was clearly top ten nationally when I graduated, as well as many other programs. I was hoping that the inferiority complex was starting to wane a bit, but apparently it is not among some. I guess a lot of that comes from people who could not get into their school of choice coming out of high school. I think some of that also filters down from some UNT professors who think that they are Harvard caliber and are unhappy at having to settle for teaching in Denton. Really kind of sad.

ITDS, formerly known as BCIS, is also a very good program.

[UNTflyer]

I was hoping that the inferiority complex was starting to wane a bit, but apparently it is not among some. I guess a lot of that comes from people who could not get into their school of choice coming out of high school.

In one of my classes a couple weeks ago, I discovered I am teammates with a Longhorns fan and an Aggies fan. The Longhorns fan scoffed at the idea of even going to a Mean Green sporting event and the Aggies fan rolled her eyes and said that UNT has no school spirit.

It really pissed me off... I said "So UNT is good enough to bestow a degree on you, but not good enough to root for???"

These are the same people who will shuffle their feet in embarassment when asked 10 years from now where they went to college. I hang my North Texas battle Flag in my office and have my bulletin board decked out with Mean Green paraphernalia. No school spirit?? That's a result of YOUR own poor attitude, missy.

Edited February 12, 2008 by UNTflyer

[UNTflyer]

ITDS, formerly known as BCIS, is also a very good program.

Other way around. It is currently called BCIS, and yes it is a good program!

UNT had the first BCIS program in the country.

[KRAM1]

You know, reading this makes me wonder....why folks insist on being "the glass is half empty" folks. Come on folks, UNT is moving forward...this is good news...UNT has great academic programs for a very reasonable tuition and fee "price"...yes, even with the announced hike in tuition recently announced. For way too many years folks seem to feel they have to "apologize" for UNT...for being a student of or an Ex of UNT...like it was some "inferior" university compared to others....what is that all about??????

UNT is a great university and it is getting even better. Does it have some "challenges", sure...show me a university that doesn't and I'll show you one "hiding" a bunch of its "challenges" under the rug in the hopes that no one finds them!

What IS interesting to me is why we have so few "givers" back to the University after graduation. With rhe Exes we have in just the DFW Metroplex alone the "giving" figures should be at least five times what they are. Just seems everyone wants to "complain", and leave it up to others to help UNT move forward...in either athletics or academics.

Get used to the fact that UNT will no longer take a "back-seat" to anyone...get with it!

Let's find the positives...LIKE UNT BEING THE 3rd LARGEST UNIVERSITY IN TEXAS! YIPPEE! GO MEAN GREEN!

[Eagle1855]

I think it's the opponents we play. Like most football fans, the bigger the rival or opponent's name, the more students, alums, and walkup fans we'll have. It's hard to draw the same for ULM, FIU, WKU, et al as it is for Navy, Baylor, Smut, etc.

It doesn't matter how many times you say this, people still don't get it. There is still a faction on this board that believes people should want to come to any game UNT is playing. Well, maybe so, but it isn't realistic. That logic doesn't even work for UT fans. I'd much prefer traveling to DFW to see us play Tulsa, SMU, Air Force, whatever... than I would ULM. or ULL.

Edited February 12, 2008 by Eagle1855

[SCREAMING EAGLE-66]

---Most extremely loyal alums (sports-wise) have a good memories as students going to games. This is why it is important to get students to the games and for them to have a good time. It helps a lot when we are playing other colleges where their hometown friends are attending or colleges with "a name". such as Navy was. .

---The administration and faculty should support the athletic program as well BECAUSE loyal alums also "chip into " the financial pot also, and it effects academics as well. Some just don't get the athletics can increase school pride and loyalty and can help their programs as well. I think it is a safe bet that UT gets a lot of donations because their athletic programs are very sucessful.

-- I am not exactly a great fan of CUSA or think it is a lot better than the Belt, BUT it has colleges in it that would provide us with local rivalries which would help us create interest in games and improve attendance.. Meanwhile we need to excell where we are... the Belt.

Edited February 12, 2008 by SCREAMING EAGLE-66

[PerryG2480]

Don't forget the Masters program for Public Administration which is one of the best in the country. I might be biased, but I have to mention that North Texas had the first accredited Recreation and Leisure Studies degree program in the state, before A&M. It's important for us parks and rec professionals, right Rick Herold?