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Let me preface this by saying I have nothing but respect for Todd Dodge and the way he handled the situation he was in at UNT. Unlike Dickey - he left his post with class and dignity. I think we all wish him and his family well at Marble Falls.

The problem is he should have left a year earlier than he did; and I believe had we been able to make that change we would be a much stronger program now - and we wouldn't be leaving the Sun Belt in the manner as it appears that we may this season.

Dodge's record in his first three UNT seasons (2007-10) was 2-10, 1-11, 2-10... Dodge was dismissed in October of 2010 (his 4th season) after going 1-6.

Everyone, including Todd Dodge knew that after year three things were likely not going to turn around. I think Dodge was surprised that UNT granted him the fourth year rather than just pay out his 5-year guaranteed contract and move on. But, either one or some combination of Dr. Bataille and or The Board of Regents chose not to do this, and I don't know if we will ever know exactly why.

Some cite that giving Dodge an additional year would help them put together a more respectable package for the new coach, and allow for a significant increase in assistant salaries which were woefully light. Whatever you think the reason was, one thing is clear. A college football coach cannot recruit quality high school athletes when they know his contract term is not going to be renewed. 7 years of osing football hurts recruiting without a doubt but when parents know a coach will likely not be there for their son's 4-5 university experience they most often will take a pass. After two consecutive losing seasons Dodge was in a hole and he knew that time was not on his side. Especially with UNT's biggest capital expenditure ever - a new stadium - on the horizon.

So Dodge did what any other coach would do in that situation, he sold out juco. Unfortunately when he rolled the dice it was UNT's chips on the craps table. Dodge thought if he didn't win in 2009 (year 3) he would be gone...so in his 2009 signing class out of 21 he signed 8, again almost half of the entire class. Then, likely surprised that he was being given a pass for year 4 out of 22 signees 10 were jucos, again almost 50% of the entire class.

This is - in my opinion - the MAIN reason we are struggling as a program right now. As Tasty and others point out, it's certainly not the ONLY reason.

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NT03

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I thought, given the thread, that this was about the Dodge JUCO binge, not using them as a talent resource going forward.

If the point is that McCarney shouldn't take JUCO players off the recruiting table... Bring your petition to the game on Saturday, and I'll definitely sign it. :P

I didn't want to start a whole new thread so I just stuck it in this one. Honestly I just skimmed thru the article assuming it was about the succes of k state thru juco's. That's what I get for playing trains & tryin to post at the same time.

I guess the The appropriate message w/ the link provided should have said "the good & bad of JUCO signings"

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Cr1028

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Excellent post. I have said that UNT made a huge mistake giving Dodge that fourth season when it was apparent he was never going to get it going. Doing so would've allowed the new coach to at least lay a foundation during the final years at Fouts before opening Apogee. Instead, the worst possible scenario occurred. Dodge was fired midseason and UNT had to open a new stadium with another rebuilding project.

I'd bet the farm that the biggest reason Dodge WAS given a fourth year was Apogee wasn't complete. Let's say that Dodge was fired the year earlier and we go 5-7 or worse, would we have put as many in the stands for the Houston Apogee game as we did? A first year coach generates much more excitement and attendance than a coach in the midst of a rebuilding project.

And to be fair to Todd Dodge, Apogee would not have been built without him, his enthusiasm, and his connections. Despite being incredibly unsuccessful, he brought a great deal of excitement and positiivity to the program.

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Stix

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I go with the theory that Dodge was given another year because the student fee wouldn't kick in until the stadium was finished, and we needed the extra funding to increase coach salaries to attract better candidates - not just the head coach, but also the assistant coaches.

And - while the jury is still out on Dan Mac, would he have considered any HC gig a year earlier?

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UNT90

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I go with the theory that Dodge was given another year because the student fee wouldn't kick in until the stadium was finished, and we needed the extra funding to increase coach salaries to attract better candidates - not just the head coach, but also the assistant coaches.

And - while the jury is still out on Dan Mac, would he have considered any HC gig a year earlier?

Yes, he has stated time and again that he was waiting for another head coaching opportunity.

120 (or so, damn move ups) jobs in the land, a whole lot of people wanting those jobs. This was no excuse for keeping Dodge around for year 4.

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