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Okay. I'm a Junior at UNT, transferred after my freshman year and I've lurked these boards for almost two years now and I have never had the urge to contribute to any conversation or felt I had anything meaningful to say. With that being said, I've made this account to specifically address this attendance issue that grown men are pissing themselves over.

Here are the reasons students did not show up to this game specifically, but all of them for that matter:

1. It is not UNT culture to be highly involved in football (or any other sport). It is not advertised around school. The administration, in my opinion, makes no effort to get the regular student involved with sports. Occasionally they will put up small plastic signs at 4 locations on campus on game week. Great. What an advertising lure! ... Not. UNT needs to make football BIG. There is nothing around campus that shouts, "WE LOVE SPORTS! GO MEAN GREEN!" Zero advertisement.

2. History of losing. Most students see UNT sports as a joke- They don't care. I've had one professor in my 1 and 1/2 years talk about the football team in class. No students cared. Why? Because of losing IN ADDITION with the lack of culture. It's not something for the average student to get excited about because they've been let down for years and don't expect anything. When you don't expect anything, why bother? They don't want to show up to a game to just be let down. Students feel it is embarrassing and are ashamed when the football program has done so bad in recent years. They don't expect anything to change. Even with a new stadium.

When I came here Todd Dodge was at my student orientation, he gave us the sales pitch that UNT will do great this year in football and it's time to turn the program around and it sounds similar to what McCarney has said. Do you think the average student who is only familiar with losing and the lack of football culture and lack of sports knowledge is going to see ANY difference between the same hopeful speech by two different people? No.

Only with this much improved season will students realize "Hey, maybe this is worth checking out now." It takes a season of doing significantly better to gain any recognition and that's what happened this season. Not next season, but the next will UNT be what you ranting immature adults WANT the student fan section to look like.

3. The HISTORY of UNT football or Lance making any accomplishments is NOT known to the average student. NCAA breaking records, what do you expect them to know about it? Again, I put this on the administration and/or the Athletics Department for NOT making it known. One email. Great. 1. Not everyone checks their email. 2.Emails are easily overlooked, we get so much crap emails from the administration already can you expect us to read through every one? No. Most people see the block of text we received and blow past it. NOT to mention it wasn't even from the Athletics Department or have FOOTBALL anywhere in the title. It was sent by freaking MARKETING in the name. We see marketing, we think it's spam. Maybe try titling the letter: "NCAA RECORDS TO BE BROKEN" with football as the email name. Not marketing@randomname.com Try: MEANGREENFOOTBALL@UNT.COM Maybe that might catch more attention.

4. WITH all of the mentioned aspects above, it was raining and cold. And most of you raving alumni are foul mouthing the students as you sit in freaking COVERED club level seats and seem to not think the weather is an issue. We found out at the FAU game we are NOT allowed umbrellas. This is a huge issue. As students, we are not going to sit through bad weather and be rained on terribly and be cold when there is no spirit for football and it really doesn't matter if we win or lose anyways because there is no tradition or culture to care. If I could sit there with an umbrella. I would have gone. But nope, because I knew I would have sat there, gotten wet and cold and gotten sick the week before FINALS (education and health come first). This part, I blame on the staff at the stadium. (which this is not the only issue with a stadium staff, I originally wrote a lot more, but decided to drop it.) This game was the first game I missed and I had to listen to it on the radio. I live in the dorms, I was disappointed and mad that I had to miss it. Yes. Had to. As I'm sure every other student who WOULD have gone if it wasn't raining felt. If you were there during the FAU game, which we won, you would have seen the student section was big, then dwindled down as the weather got worse. Weather is a huge factor. We don't live up north, we do not have full weatherproof clothing. The most winter suitable clothes we have is jeans. Jeans get wet. With no overhead protection we are going to get soaked and be uncomfortable and cold and get sick. End of story.

Yes. Panchos were available to be purchased, but this isn't known to students. We weren't told- how should we know? I sure didn't until I saw a picture on Scrappy's Facebook page. And they cost money. We're college students. Do you think we're going to pay for anything? No, lol.

Now I'll be the final word on the matter of attendance and the voice of the students:

"Shut up. Make us more involved and we will care more. We want to care more. We want to be involved with our university. We want that classic university experience and we want it to be first class so don't blame us for being apathetic and disillusioned. Do you think we want that?"


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Eastwood Eagle

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Too long too read and paragraphs are acceptable.

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Greenrex

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I agree DallasG, and wish I could make every game but, now retired I live out of state. Things have always pretty much been this way. Stay the course and know that there others out here who understand how you feel. GMG

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Greenrex

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To Eastwood E: Too short. Relevant comments are acceptable.

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foutsrouts

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Wow. Pretty broad brush there, but also a pretty good chunk of truth. To throw in a generalization myself, unless a person absolutely hates sports, anyone who totally shuns their school's athletic programs clearly has serious self-esteem issues. Really kind of sad.

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Keith7

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I bet students and citizens of Denton are really kicking themselves after reading this thread.

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JayDub

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I bet students and citizens of Denton are really kicking themselves after reading this thread.

Yep. I'm sure they've fought through the misspelled words, poor grammar, and lack of paragraphs & seen the error of their ways.

I love it when DallasGreen pulls a FireFightnRick and pats himself on the back for being a better fan than you...all while making himself look like a complete ass by making generalizations about people.

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DallasGreen

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Yep. I'm sure they've fought through the misspelled words, poor grammar, and lack of paragraphs & seen the error of their ways.

I love it when DallasGreen pulls a FireFightnRick and pats himself on the back for being a better fan than you.

It would not take a whole lot to prove anyone a better fan than the one who shovels out drivel like this post.

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JayDub

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It would not take a whole lot to prove anyone a better fan than the one who shovels out drivel like this post.

Wait...you took the time to type up that abortion of an original post and call my post "drivel"? It's so cute when hateful, spiteful, bitter old men take to the internet.

Seriously, if you hate the people associated with North Texas as much as you always seem to portray...then, please, move along. I'm sure few would miss you.

Outside of being a casual fan, I have no personal investment in this team or school any longer, but it pisses me off to no end to read bullshit, misspelled generalizations like "...the dope smoking, weirded out students of apathy that now inhabit this campus..." and "the UNT faculty has shown it is only a bunch of self serving pseudo intellectual pin heads and the C of C a bunch of self agrandeousing blow hards" from people like you and wonder why those people have no desire to come out to Apogee and associate with the likes of you.

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DallasGreen

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Wait...you took the time to type up that abortion of an original post and call my post "drivel"? It's so cute when hateful, spiteful, bitter old men take to the internet.

Seriously, if you hate the people associated with North Texas as much as you always seem to portray...then, please, move along. I'm sure few would miss you.

Outside of being a casual fan, I have no personal investment in this team or school any longer, but it pisses me off to no end to read bullshit, misspelled generalizations like "...the dope smoking, weirded out students of apathy that now inhabit this campus..." and "the UNT faculty has shown it is only a bunch of self serving pseudo intellectual pin heads and the C of C a bunch of self agrandeousing blow hards" from people like you and wonder why those people have no desire to come out to Apogee and associate with the likes of you.

Ain't the truth a bitch, and poor "old" me thought it was Al Gore who invented the internet not you. :sword:
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greenminer

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NT will live on.

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meangreen

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Wait...you took the time to type up that abortion of an original post and call my post "drivel"? It's so cute when hateful, spiteful, bitter old men take to the internet.

Seriously, if you hate the people associated with North Texas as much as you always seem to portray...then, please, move along. I'm sure few would miss you.

Outside of being a casual fan, I have no personal investment in this team or school any longer, but it pisses me off to no end to read bullshit, misspelled generalizations like "...the dope smoking, weirded out students of apathy that now inhabit this campus..." and "the UNT faculty has shown it is only a bunch of self serving pseudo intellectual pin heads and the C of C a bunch of self agrandeousing blow hards" from people like you and wonder why those people have no desire to come out to Apogee and associate with the likes of you.

My thoughts exactly.

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Daddy Dumpsalot

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Hope all who stayed in your cozy little bungalows last night are proud of yourselves for missing the making of NCAA history. What a slap in the face to the progam, the seniors, and most of all Lance Dunbar to stay away in droves when all knew what was possible on this night. I for one who has missed few home games in the last 50 years can not find it more odious that the jerkwater town of little "d" can not even phathom what it has in its two universities. This has to be the poorest excuse for a college town in America. I've heard all the lame excuses ---too many things to do in the metroplex, too many commuters, have to support both universities if you support one, afternoon games are bad for local merchants' business,etc.,etc. All these are pure unadultered BS. Take it as fact--- Denton can put down its largest employer and smirk about it. The UNT faculty has shown it is only a bunch of self serving pseudo intellectual pin heads and the C of C a bunch of self agrandeousing blow hards. The students should hide their degrees from sight since they show absolutely no respect for their alma mater. The commuters are a bunch of blood sucking parasites who only use UNT and then quickly disregard all ties. I have never been so ashamed to be associated with the City of Denton as well as the drunk doped up band of worthless students as this first season in Apogee. I hope you all realize down the road what a disservice you did to your university and your city last night, and don't respond by patting yourself on the back for your "punny" student fee of $10. when everyone else is paying double that. Yes I put my $$ where my mouth is--- I'm sure I'm close to $100K lifetime investment in my alma mater, and I came from a family of very modest income unlike the pompus, pampered brats from SMU, but also unlike the dope smoking, weirded out students of apathy that now inhabit this campus. I hope you're proud this morning. I know I am because last night I witnessed history and said goodbye to a great group of young men that this city and the students and faculty of UNT truly do not deserve. :growl:

But it was raining and cold and it's such a long walk.

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MeanGreenDan

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Whatever the opposite of preaching to the choir is, this is it. The people you are talking to are not reading this forum.

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Rudy

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Whatever the opposite of preaching to the choir is, this is it. The people you are talking to are not reading this forum.

Unfortunately, I don't think this is true.

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MeanGreenDan

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Unfortunately, I don't think this is true.

You think the city of Denton and unt students are reading this? Because I am pretty sure the majority reading this do not live in Denton, and are not current students...

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GrandGreen

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DallasGreen is a mite over the top, but other than too few exceptions; what he said rang true. Name me one fb division university much less one with around 36k students that gets less support from the community. If NT could relocate, municipalities would be pledging millions to have the university move in, yet Denton threats both universities as something that is to be endured not supported.

Every NT fan should be embraced because they are certainly not enough, but IMO those that put in years of support in both attendance and money deserve their rants.

My take was that the NT/MTSU game was something not to be missed, yet many who identify themselves as fans couldn't be bothered. The weather was a big factor, but was not that bad. I am just glad I am one of the few thousand fans that actually saw Dunbar and the team's performance.

As an aside, if all you can't muster to rebuff a post is grammar or syntax, than don't.

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Green Mean

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I think people underestimate just how many lurkers probably go through this board and browse through from time to time.

That being said I really thought the whole goal was to make fans come to games or come to games with more frequency. If they see about 5 threads a day dedicated about worthless attendance, alumni, students, fans, and cities then I don't think they'll be so inclined to want to support us.

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forevereagle

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I am happy we won too. Such a lovely place this GoMeanGreen.com is at times.

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aztecskin

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I want to thank FFR for his terrible joke, DallasGreen for his sharing his thoughts and JayDub for telling him to calm down in his own special way.

Also wanted to point out the I expect to see all of you at the basketball games.

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CaribbeanGreen

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I see what you did here... you insinuated that JayDub was a pot head and dead in a gutter, but then you found out he wasn't because he posted in this thread. Clever Clever FireHatMan. I got a 3 day ban for calling someone Chubby one time, but then again I didn't build half of Denton like you did, all great and mighty FHM.

"dead dropout druggie" has to be the most jarring shot fired in GMG history.... This makes rjmunthe and hip hop Plummer look like Neville Chamberlain.

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JayDub

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Before I read this thread I had been worried that one certain doped up drop out wasn't the one found dead in the tent this week on campus?

And now it's confirmed.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/12/04/3569452/occupy-denton-protester-found.html

Rick

I'm guessing you're referring to me as a "doped up drop out"...? Very funny and oh-so-classy. You, of all people, likely dealing with death and people who have substance abuse issues every single time you go on shift...you find humour in that? Truly sickening...and, yet, sadly unsurprising when considering the source.

I can live with the dropout thing...but, the "doped up" portion I take exception to. Would you like to see the results of my latest random, DOT-mandated piss test?

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