North Texas Football Uniforms

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[Matt from A700]

Is #89 Draymond Green?

[UNT90]

Made it to July 4th... ?

[southsideguy]

we need to find a look and stick with it.   we don't need to be 50 shades of green, pick a green any green and stick with it.

[SilverEagle]

8 minutes ago, southsideguy said:

we need to find a look and stick with it.   we don't need to be 50 shades of green, pick a green any green and stick with it.

Tell that to Baylor......or Oregon for that matter.

[GMG24]

14 hours ago, Matt from A700 said:

Is #89 Draymond Green?

Willie Robinson from TJC walk on I believe

[UNTexas]

1 hour ago, SilverEagle said:

Tell that to Baylor......or Oregon for that matter.

I think everyone is sick of the shades of green. One year it's dark green, the next year it's almost lime green, then it's Kelly green. No one cares about different uniforms but it's pretty stupid when our fans can't figure out what green our school is because of one moron at the athletic department. And it's usually one moron. We switched to forest green from Kelly Green one year simply because the head coach liked dark green. Most schools would lynch a coach for that. Baylor and Oregon change configuration of the same colors. UNT can't even get the shade of green correct at the union bookstore. 

Edited July 4, 2016 by UNTexas

[TreeFiddy]

I call BS.  Baylor and Oregon have gone through more color changes than we have.  And they are not the only ones.  I wish we could find something that works and stick with it, but I don't buy the story that we are the only school who can't decide on a color.

[greenb.o.g.]

5 hours ago, southsideguy said:

we need to find a look and stick with it.   we don't need to be 50 shades of green, pick a green any green and stick with it.

Can't agree more!

I would like this post a thousand times if I could!

[TheWestie]

3 hours ago, UNTexas said:

I think everyone is sick of the shades of green. One year it's dark green, the next year it's almost lime green, then it's Kelly green. No one cares about different uniforms but it's pretty stupid when our fans can't figure out what green our school is because of one moron at the athletic department. And it's usually one moron. We switched to forest green from Kelly Green one year simply because the head coach liked dark green. Most schools would lynch a coach for that. Baylor and Oregon change configuration of the same colors. UNT can't even get the shade of green correct at the union bookstore. 

We've never gone from forest green, to lime to kelly in a three year span.

We used the same dark shade of Forest Green from 1983 when we abandoned the Hayden Fry era Flying Worm uniforms until 2007 when the Todd Dodge era coincided with the University as a whole changing to a new shade of green as part of the same new branding campaign that introduced the SOW. Dodge didn't pick the green that he used on those hideous Under Armour uniforms, that was the new official UNT green. Pantone 356. https://identityguide.unt.edu/create-our-look/color

When Dodge got canned and RV hire Mac, the shade of green didn't change. What DID change was the uniform supplier. Under Armour's uniforms and the 2011 Nike uniforms were made of totally different materials and THAT had an effect on the perceived color of the jerseys. The material on those Nike jerseys made the color look weird in all but perfect lightning. I've had trouble since 2011 making them look right in my photos. The 2015 jerseys were made from a different material that had less of an iridescent quality to it and therefore the color look closer to the official UNT green. Look at basketball, track, volleyball, soccer, softball etc: They've all had the same shade of emerald green since the rebranding in 2006. The green around the floor of the Super Pit has been he same shade of green since then. 

On a personal note, it's been a struggle to get the green to look right since 2011. I had crappy cameras from 2011 until the 2014 season but even then it was hard. The iridescent material reflects what's around it, and that could mean blue sky, or the color of the jersey of a guy on the other team while he's trying to tackle one of our players. If you look at a lot of photos you'll see that the jerseys and the helmets look like different colors and that's why. Bright open sunlight made them look great, but shade, like when the sun had gone behind the pressbox but it was still bright enough out that the sky lit up the field and not the stadium lights, made them look horrible. 
 

Kelly Green during late 60s.

1994 Forest Green, white Eagle head silhouette on helmet.

1995 Forest Green, Cartoon Scrappy head on helmet

 

2002 Forest Green with white facemask, script North Texas on helmet - Looks brighter because of good lighting in Super Dome. Looks black in the middle of the chest from sweat soaking in.

2003 Forest Green with black facemasks, script North Texas. Note how black it looks from the sweat on Booger. 

 

2004 Forest Green with black facemask, script North Texas on helmet - Same jerseys, but looks darker because it's under the lights at Fouts.

2005-2006 forest green with block letter North Texas on helmet

Todd Dodge Southlake Carroll uniforms from 2006

And then 2007 -2010 Dodge era Under Armour uniforms - note how many shades of green the fan apparel is. Guy with a hat and shirt that are different shades.

2010 Vs K State : Fouts Finale

 

2011-2015

In this spring game photo the color is awful because it was mid-day and the green looks too blue. Our eyes don't see it but everything looks bluer to a camera in mid-day because of how much blue sky everything reflects. Especially the shadow areas on white pants. Canon cameras don't make the shadows look blue but Nikons, which I use, do.

Here they look too Kelly Green because the whole photo has too much yellow in it. My laptop screen wasn't calibrated right back then.

This photo makes them look too blue because of the camera's white balance (not my photo)

These next two photos they look better, but still not great under the lights at Apogee. Not an Apogee problem, a fabric problem.

Finally a day game shot, with a newer camera, showing the true jersey color in full sunlight.

2015: New uniform design with a different fabric because Nike stopped making the previous material. Nowhere near as iridescent as before, and the color looks more accurate under most lightning conditions. Also I had a better camera and laptop for these. 

2015 jerseys shot with a studio flash, most accurate representation of the actual color.

They looked accurate in the daytime

But still picked up a lot of yellow color while shooting at night under the stadium lights.

 

I get it, I don't like that we've been all the hell over the place as far as our identity as a program in the last 15 years. From week to week when I wear my green on Fridays, my favorite thing to wear is still my forest green 2003 football shirt with a white facemask script logo helmet on the back from my Freshman year. That's what we wore when we beat Baylor in 2003 and my favorite Mean Green memory of Booger running that fumble in for a TD. Other weeks I'll wear my favorite SOW shirt or something else. Of all the Mean Green stuff I own that I've amassed in the past 13 years most of it doesn't match. 

The giveaway Pit Crew shirt I wear to bed most nights is Flying Worm era Kelly Green. My Fouts Field Finale shirt and my super rare Mean Green Stadium shirt are both made by Gildan and are the same shade, but my Heart of Dallas Bowl game shirt is a Jansport and is darker. This has less to do with someone in the AD being a moron and the clothing suppliers having umpteen different takes on what Emerald Green is. But this isn't new: I saw Kelly Green shit for sale in 2005 and I've seen forest green Son of work stuff in the past few years. 

I'll admit though, the licensed apparel and gear problem has gotten WAY better since we started using CLC instead of going at it by ourselves. The rainbow of different shades of green has narrowed quite a bit. But even on the University's own brand licensing web site, they use a photo that shows how many different shades ofgreen our officially licensed products can come in.

[MeanGreen01]

I can't stand the color green or the look we had under Mac.  The color looked like a hwy sign, a dull green.  It needs to be a brighter shade of green, similar to what we have on our helmets.  That color of green is very popular right now!  Hopefully they make the numbers bigger too.  The small numbers on the green uniforms this year were awful.  I think once we find an awesome uniform we will stick to it, just haven't found one yet.  

Edited July 5, 2016 by MeanGreen01
Typos

[FirefightnRick]

3 hours ago, TheWestie said:

We used the same dark shade of Forest Green from 1983 when we abandoned the Hayden Fry era Flying Worm uniforms until 2007 when the Todd Dodge era coincided with the University as a whole changing to a new shade of green as part of the same new branding campaign that introduced the SOW. 

 

    

We went back to Kelly after '83 and used that till after '92 or '93.

Also, the branding campaign that introduced the SOW logo was in '03.

 

Rick

Edited July 5, 2016 by FirefightnRick

[Tyler Maryak]

8 hours ago, TheWestie said: 
 

But even on the University's own brand licensing web site, they use a photo that shows how many different shades ofgreen our officially licensed products can come in.

Hah! They're still using this picture on the URCM website? I remember doing this photo shoot like 7 years ago...

[southsideguy]

i like the forest green uniforms

[golfingomez]

9 hours ago, TheWestie said:

 

Here they look too Kelly Green because the whole photo has too much yellow in it. My laptop screen wasn't calibrated right back then.

 

the problem with this picture is that it is being distorted by how F****** awesome Lance Dunbar was... it's hard for the camera to properly catch Lance when he was blowing by defenders

 

 

I personally liked the Dickey uni's coming in as a freshman i thought the forest green was kick ass, then they changed it halfway through my time there... hated the Dodge uni's... actually really liked the initial Mac uni's... HATE the new ones.

let's just change our color to neon yellow...

[southsideguy]

we can go back to the lime green uniforms of the  late 70"s

[TreeFiddy]

Pick a color that is easy to find and easy to duplicate. It would seem that either kelly or forest green are the two most common shades of green. Pick one.

We are not alone in this struggle. It seems like it happens more when schools try to get cute with their color scheme and the fanbase is stuck with trying to get close, but many times the color isn't quite right.

 

[Graham]

I think more than finding a color or a "look" we've gotta find our style/brand. Oregon's able to roll out a different uniform and color every week because they've honed in on the style for all their uni's -- modern, innovative, flashy, etc. Which is a perfect match for their brand of football. So, tah dah, it works. 

Same with Baylor. Same with TCU. Same with all the other "me too" schools out there. 

Penn St and Alabama, on the other hand, field a solid color uni with a single-striped helmet and no added razzle dazzle. Which lines up perfectly with the types of football programs they run, the playbooks they run, etc. Classic, no nonsense football.

So what are we about? What's that uni supposed to say about the team and the program? Answer that, agree on it, and the uniform talk becomes a pretty easy one.

 

Regardless, last year's uniforms should be donated to rag bin immediately. 

[Christopher Walker]

3 hours ago, Tyler Maryak said:

Hah! They're still using this picture on the URCM website? I remember doing this photo shoot like 7 years ago...

I was about to say... "Hey look, a bunch of my involved friends from school!"

[Aldo]

*Derides others for talking about uniforms*

*Proceeds to complain about colors*

[UNTLifer]

14 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

We went back to Kelly after '83 and used that till after '92 or '93.

Also, the branding campaign that introduced the SOW logo was in '03.

 

Rick

Rick, I think your time line is off a bit. Weren't we Forrest green through all of the DD years?

[southsideguy]

why did you post mini macs picture, why, just when i thought the nightmares would end.

[UNTexas]

17 hours ago, FirefightnRick said:

We went back to Kelly after '83 and used that till after '92 or '93.

Also, the branding campaign that introduced the SOW logo was in '03.

 

Rick

Kelley green was used until 93 then Simon demanded it be switched for 94. He also started trying to use Navy blue whenever he could. None of the players were happy either. He didn't care though. We always had terrible branding back then. It's getting better though.

[bloodstunt]

On 7/5/2016 at 8:09 AM, southsideguy said:

we can go back to the lime green uniforms of the  late 70"s

I thought it was Green Granny Apple. But please just Bring Back the Worm and the success that went with it.

[GreenGonzo]

That was the best winning combination ever!